Well, the second point exists because there ARE men that solely support women’s rights because they want to have casual sex with them. I know, I’ve met them in bars and it is pretty clear their support for women’s liberation is literally only skin deep, as in they only seek women’s sexual liberation so that more women will want to have sex with them. It’s somewhere in the line of ‘All women are either removed or angels’, and they are looking to create more angels (women who want to sleep with them).
Now, that being said, these kinds of guys are pretty few and far between, but are seen as ubiquitous and constant voices driving the discourse within media (see South Park, Metalocalypse, and multiple sitcoms such as Two and a Half Men or 30 Rock). I’d go so far as to say that for the past 30 years or so, that has been the mainstream and online comedy trope about male feminists. Once again, people have mistaken the heightened voice of a media archetype written primarily by non-feminist voices as feminist. Literally mixing up reality and media fantasy.
Edit: It’s not nearly as prevalent as ‘guy who completely misrepresents his politics to his girlfriend’, but that rarely gets talked about.
I hate to admit it, but you’re right. I find that’s exactly why this loser immediately jumped to such a conclusion. These kinds of men will project this mentality because of them thinking “If I identified as a feminist, I’d definitely be doing it to be deceptive of women.” Not so coincidentally, these are the same men that accuse feminism of being a “female supremacist” or “man-hating movement.” Like, my brother in Christ, if you don’t want women to hate you, stop being so damn hateable.
Yeah, I ground all of my criticisms of mainstream bourgeoisie feminism within feminist theory, but that is very confusing to the majority of cishet men, who because of having been fed hundreds of hours of propaganda, have absolutely zero idea what actual feminism even is, looks like or sounds like. I honestly feel like an asshole sometimes for even criticizing it, but a consumerist non-liberatory feminist position doesn’t actually help anybody dismantle patriarchy so idk what to do.
Yeah, men are always projecting their hatred of women into other men all the time.
As a very intersectional enby, I’m always critical of bourgeois liberal feminism for obvious reasons. It’s so shortsighted, unhelpful, and has no coherent sense of theory that will truly liberate all who suffer under patriarchy. I make a lot of criticisms of “liberal feminism” that will turn heads and get people to think that I’m some kind of conservative or TERF, but the way I see it, I actually make such criticisms mainly because I’m extremely far from being either a conservative or a TERF.
Well, the second point exists because there ARE men that solely support women’s rights because they want to have casual sex with them. I know, I’ve met them in bars and it is pretty clear their support for women’s liberation is literally only skin deep, as in they only seek women’s sexual liberation so that more women will want to have sex with them. It’s somewhere in the line of ‘All women are either removed or angels’, and they are looking to create more angels (women who want to sleep with them).
Now, that being said, these kinds of guys are pretty few and far between, but are seen as ubiquitous and constant voices driving the discourse within media (see South Park, Metalocalypse, and multiple sitcoms such as Two and a Half Men or 30 Rock). I’d go so far as to say that for the past 30 years or so, that has been the mainstream and online comedy trope about male feminists. Once again, people have mistaken the heightened voice of a media archetype written primarily by non-feminist voices as feminist. Literally mixing up reality and media fantasy.
Edit: It’s not nearly as prevalent as ‘guy who completely misrepresents his politics to his girlfriend’, but that rarely gets talked about.
I hate to admit it, but you’re right. I find that’s exactly why this loser immediately jumped to such a conclusion. These kinds of men will project this mentality because of them thinking “If I identified as a feminist, I’d definitely be doing it to be deceptive of women.” Not so coincidentally, these are the same men that accuse feminism of being a “female supremacist” or “man-hating movement.” Like, my brother in Christ, if you don’t want women to hate you, stop being so damn hateable.
Yeah, I ground all of my criticisms of mainstream bourgeoisie feminism within feminist theory, but that is very confusing to the majority of cishet men, who because of having been fed hundreds of hours of propaganda, have absolutely zero idea what actual feminism even is, looks like or sounds like. I honestly feel like an asshole sometimes for even criticizing it, but a consumerist non-liberatory feminist position doesn’t actually help anybody dismantle patriarchy so idk what to do.
Yeah, men are always projecting their hatred of women into other men all the time.
As a very intersectional enby, I’m always critical of bourgeois liberal feminism for obvious reasons. It’s so shortsighted, unhelpful, and has no coherent sense of theory that will truly liberate all who suffer under patriarchy. I make a lot of criticisms of “liberal feminism” that will turn heads and get people to think that I’m some kind of conservative or TERF, but the way I see it, I actually make such criticisms mainly because I’m extremely far from being either a conservative or a TERF.
Such is the life of those with coherent political views that are not represented even on academic surveys.