Ukrainians love Ukraine so much 10 million of them (1/5th) left since 1990.
It’s such a serious country in fact that the current President is a humorist who played the role of President on TV before his election – perhaps as a trial for the job?
Today, claiming to speak for all Ukrainians, the pro-NATO government is remembering a famine recognized as a genocide only by 16 countries, that happened almost 100 years ago and affected other populations in a country that does not exist any more. The name of this “genocide” was made up by neo nazis in the 1980s for its resemblance to the word Holocaust.
i’m not quite sure how the modern geolopolitics of ukraine, how long this happened and how many countries recognize it as genocide affect how it is/should be perceived… millions of people died and people commemorate those who died in those awful events…
Ukraine is the main proponent of the genocide narrative. Without their efforts (helped by the US), people wouldn’t really care that much about this famine. Famines happened and still happen, this one was nothing special as far as famines are concerned. Ukrainians would remember it as a darker period and be grateful that they have food now (an argument demolishing the genocide narrative is the fact that it did not work, there were no further famines, and the population refilled without problems). Non-Ukrainians might think about it once in a while but wouldn’t really care all that much because there have been many other famines, in our own countries as well.
There have been famines in China, there have been famines in Europe in the early 1800s at the latest… I’m talking about purely “natural” famines here (not helped by government inaction, but not caused by the government on purpose either). The 1933 famine is on the same level for me. Yes, I want everyone to have food. But no, I can’t bear the world’s problems on my shoulders. One thing at a time; and this was 100 years ago. It’s ancient news. Especially as the USSR doesn’t even exist anymore – not like the monarchy that caused the Irish famine is still alive and well today.
But that’s not what anti-communist, pro-nato Ukraine wants you to think. If this was treated like other famines, it wouldn’t be politicised like this.
Ukrainians love Ukraine so much 10 million of them (1/5th) left since 1990.
It’s such a serious country in fact that the current President is a humorist who played the role of President on TV before his election – perhaps as a trial for the job?
Today, claiming to speak for all Ukrainians, the pro-NATO government is remembering a famine recognized as a genocide only by 16 countries, that happened almost 100 years ago and affected other populations in a country that does not exist any more. The name of this “genocide” was made up by neo nazis in the 1980s for its resemblance to the word Holocaust.
i’m not quite sure how the modern geolopolitics of ukraine, how long this happened and how many countries recognize it as genocide affect how it is/should be perceived… millions of people died and people commemorate those who died in those awful events…
Ukraine is the main proponent of the genocide narrative. Without their efforts (helped by the US), people wouldn’t really care that much about this famine. Famines happened and still happen, this one was nothing special as far as famines are concerned. Ukrainians would remember it as a darker period and be grateful that they have food now (an argument demolishing the genocide narrative is the fact that it did not work, there were no further famines, and the population refilled without problems). Non-Ukrainians might think about it once in a while but wouldn’t really care all that much because there have been many other famines, in our own countries as well.
There have been famines in China, there have been famines in Europe in the early 1800s at the latest… I’m talking about purely “natural” famines here (not helped by government inaction, but not caused by the government on purpose either). The 1933 famine is on the same level for me. Yes, I want everyone to have food. But no, I can’t bear the world’s problems on my shoulders. One thing at a time; and this was 100 years ago. It’s ancient news. Especially as the USSR doesn’t even exist anymore – not like the monarchy that caused the Irish famine is still alive and well today.
But that’s not what anti-communist, pro-nato Ukraine wants you to think. If this was treated like other famines, it wouldn’t be politicised like this.
edit: hit send too soon.