bOtHsIdEsAmE is bs.
They are not the same, but the meme is still accurate
One side wants to fuck the working class. The other side wants to fuck the working class and kill gays.
Right, but they do agree workers get to start with the water cannon to the face.
They both effectively want to kill gays, just one of them is overt about it and the other restricts itself to the degrades living conditions of the marginalized under capitalism while covering itself in a rainbow flag.
As another queer example, trans people face hardship like other marginalized people. They disproportionately face rejection by their support systems, homelessness, difficulties with employment, access to healthcare. I have personally interacted with many, many Democrats that claim to be pro-trans but demonize the homeless and fight against universal healthcare. They support the systems of marginalization but selectively tap into empathy and acceptance.
But materially, the primary outcome is the same. Republicans usually embrace the overtly reactionary psychology of marginalization while Democrats ensure the material consequences of marginalization remain intact.
Though we shouldn’t forget that Dems are also often homophobic, racist, transphobic, islamophobic, etc etc.
Oh yeah Union empowerment from Dems is sooo bad. The non compete clause being stuck down is sooo bad (came from Dems appointments). ACA from Obama is sooo bad. Student debt relief from Dems is soooooo bad.
You need to open your eyes.
Biden broke the rail strike and tons of Trump-era NLRB decisions remain in place. Dems are not pro-labor, though many do try to wrap themselves in the aesthetic selectively. For example, none of them care about the global working class and virtually none care about the economic underclass of undocumented labor.
I see them show up to give speeches and then fail to provide material support when it’s needed. I see them cut worker protections. I see them cozy up to their business owner donors and do the bidding of the chamber of commerce.
Rail Union: https://youtu.be/EM6jMtG_MB8
I’m not interested in trying to guess at what the point is based on a YouTube video from an ignorant human trafficker. Can you tell me in your own words?
It’s not long and it seems you opened it, so I think you’re trying to ignore it.
I agree that it isn’t long but I’m not interested in trying to guess about which part you liked or think is a reply to what I said.
I’m asking you to tell me yourself what your point is. How am I avoiding it? lol. Just have a conversation like a normal person.
The ACA is a heritage foundation handout to health insurance companies (which do not provide healthcare).
It’s propaganda.
everyone who doesn’t like Biden is a Russian
“Everything I don’t like is Russian or Chinese.”
Everyone who recognizes differences between Trump and Biden must like Biden
Good-cop/bad-cop ass system.
Asking in genuine good faith: when you see politicians that abuse their power to this extent, how is your argument that they need more power through either socialism or communism? How would giving them that kind of control improve anything?
This is not an abuse of power- this is them exercising the power they are granted by the capitalist state to defend the capitalist class.
Replace “democrats and republicans” with “the worker’s party” and “the working class” with “the capitalist class” and picture all the implications of that, and then understand why we’d like socialism.
Politicians serve who controls them, ie who funds them. The idea isn’t to take an existing Capitalist state and add a bunch of state power, but to restructure the state and economy along proletarian democracy, ie worker councils and whatnot.
Socialism isn’t giving Capitalist politicians control, but giving workers control of the state and economy.
the working class votes democrat and republican.
I mean, that’s just as false as it is true. Voter turnout ranges from 40-60% depending on the year and election, meaning that roughly half of eligible voters don’t vote for either party. And generally, active voters skew wealthier, so I’d bet the stat is even more pronounced.
I don’t understand, sorry.
If half of people don’t vote, then that’s half of the population not voting Democrat or Republican.
When the working class does vote, they vote Republican or Democrat.
I don’t see how that difference is relevant.
Because pretending either of these parties have wide support of the working class is disingenuous at best. You have to drastically move the goalposts to try and retain any claim to truth.
Low voter turnout suggests that some segment of potential voters don’t support the given options. If voter turnout was 20% would you still think your adjusted claim is identical to your original? “When [some subsection of the working class] chooses to vote, it votes for one of the only two real options” borders on tautology.
Not to mention the extant parties have a duopoly over electoral institutions, meaning it’s illogical to assume that even the people that do vote necessarily support either party, rather than voting for whichever one they find less bad.
What do you mean by this?
