Who will replace the young people that Clinton regards as dunces? In 2016, the pitch was made to suburban Republicans of the Never Trump persuasion. In 2024, this has been recast as the Biden campaign’s attempts to appeal to Nikki Haley Republicans. This strategy only makes sense as a response to Biden’s loss of support among young people and nonwhite voters.
Clintonian triangulation failed in 2016, and it will fail again in 2024. You simply can’t win as a Democratic presidential candidate by giving the back of your hand to large parts of your own coalition. Joe Biden understood that in 2020—but tragically seems to be suffering from memory loss in 2024.
Reaching for the republican defectors instead of reaching for the disenfranchised progressives that are unfortunately stuck in your party already. They may just be too busy working to try to survive in this economy than to show up to vote for someone who forgot about them anyway. Dems would rather scoot to the right than get pulled to the left. Hell, they would rather have a Trump presidency than move to the left. Progressives hurt their doners, a Trump presidency gives them tax breaks and lowers the bar for the office so they can run an even shittier candidate in 2028 as we spiral into this corporate idiocracy.
Anyway, I will be voting for Biden in November to keep it as far left as possible. But it is not a great strategy. I am getting more and more apathetic with this bullshit game and might keep my nose out of federal elections and stick to local/state elections in the future until someone comes along to shake things up. The last 8 years have been horrible in this country and embarrassing, and the best they can do is give US THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER. The federal level elections are just a money funneling clown show that gets gerrymandered into alignment in their desires anyway.
To clarify, I haven’t seen Biden actively disregard us as a species, I’ve seen him pretend to placate us with things like a half assed “attempt” at student loan forgiveness thinking we are dumb enough to be like. “Well, he tried, guess Republicans are bad.” At the end of the day he has actually done nothing productive during his first term, the term he is supposed to be worried about reelection. Even less is somehow going to happen in his second term. But at least he’s not actively going backward like Trump would do.
To clarify, I haven’t seen Biden actively disregard us as a species, I’ve seen him pretend to placate us with things like a half assed “attempt” at student loan forgiveness thinking we are dumb enough to be like. “Well, he tried, guess Republicans are bad.” At the end of the day he has actually done nothing productive during his first term, the term he is supposed to be worried about reelection. Even less is somehow going to happen in his second term. But at least he’s not actively going backward like Trump would do.
he disregarded you if you took any private student loans after 2005
biden was instrumental in making student loan debt easy & non-dischargeable; he deserves more of the blame for it than anybody else for the crap this country is about to experience from this $1.4 trillion fuck up.
also: if you’re not straight he voted against gay marriage and gays in the military and also advocated against gays in federal service.
also: if you think integration was a good thing, biden disagreed.
I agree with the article except for this part:
Joe Biden’s success in 2020 was due in no small part to his deliberate rejection of Clinton’s failed strategy. “Scranton Joe” courted both Sanders voters and blue-collar whites. He promised expanded infrastructure spending and tougher trade deals. Progressive young people might not have given Biden their votes in the primaries, but he campaigned as a candidate who saw them as part of his coalition and duly won their votes on Election Day.
I think the main reason Biden won in 2020 is because of COVID. That and correctly recognizing that people despise both him and Trump and realizing that if he simply stays out of the limelight people won’t pay as much attention to how bad he is. Neither of these factors are working for him now, it’s much harder to stay out of the limelight when you’re the one in charge.
I suppose there may have been less open hostility towards the left compared to Clinton, but only because that’s such a low bar.
I also believe COVID played a huge role. People were like “Trump is an idiot and is going to get us all killed!” so they went with Biden. Then Biden did ok for awhile then some of us had to die for the economy. :(
And everyone is removed about the state of the economy now. You think it would have been better off if we had extended even longer the conditions that led to the inflation?
The inflation we have experienced since 2020 is almost exclusively due to corporate greed.
Do you have any numbers to back this up?
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yes that’s exactly the evidence from the 1918 flu pandemic showed: places which locked down harder and longer had quicker economic recovery. This is probably even more the case with COVID which is leaving people longterm, if not lifetime, disabled.
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the documented reason for recent inflation in the US is corporate greed, the only thing COVID did was give corporate execs an excuse
- Can I get a citation on this? I searched and found nothing. But also the comparison is hard because the COIVD-19 lockdowns were much more severe. Like we had a complete shut down, most of the spanish flu there were few actually “lockdowns” as most businesses were allowed to stay open, it was more schools and public institutions were closed. They even still held parades and public celebrations. Additionally they were shorter in length. If “length of lockdown” is a good indication of how strong you come out economically on the other side of a pandemic, then we should have been way better off. Additionally, the economy has rebounded very weel, it has just come at the cost of inflation.
- This is untrue. Plenty of inflation was due to disruptions and monetary policy during the pandemic. It was almost a deliberate choice by the fed to pump money into the economy, to keep people employed, at the cost of inflation, as they figured that was better than a huge economic downturn, or even another depression. Sure, some of it now is corporate greed, as they realized they could raise prices and people would still pay, but it’s by and large due to policies during the pandemic.
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Cynically I presume that the Dems keep trying to court moderate Republicans because if they can get enough support from them, they can justify sticking with a moderate platform that allows the DNC to continue collecting enormous piles of soft money from corporations.
In order to appeal to the more progressive younger voters (and make no mistake about it - appealing to them would GUARANTEE victory), they would have to adopt a platform that would cut into thise enormous piles of soft money.
And they’re just not willing to do that. The simple fact of the matter is that the DNC values the money more than it values actually winning the election. If guaranteeing the ininterrupted flow of soft money requires tactics that mean the Democrat loses, then that, to them, is just the way it goes.
And after the fact, they’ll just blame someone else - almost certainly the progressives.
Democrats stab you in the back, Republicans stab you right in the fucking face. But they are both stabbing you…
Pretty much, yeah.
The Republicans are able to overtly promise to do things the corporate jackals want, and just spin it a bit so the voters will think it’s for them. They can promise to cut taxes (and not mention that that’s just taxes for the rich) or promise to downsize government (and not mention that they’re just going to eliminate regulations to which corporations and rich people don’t want to be subject), and so on.
The Democrats are in a much trickier position, since there’s no way to spin their intention of working for the benefit of the corporate jackals as representing the will of their supporters, and they can’t sincerely promise to do the things their supporters expect without alienating the jackals and cutting into the flow of that sweet, sweet soft money. So they’re stuck either making vague, wishy-washy promises that they then don’t keep, or just being overtly moderate-at-best and trying to shame leftists into supporting them anyway.
The last one is the current situation. I just hope that maybe with the death of the Boomers and Trump turning the RNC into a circus that is very much a minority with younger people that the republican party as we know it is not long for this world. Maybe the current democrats move into that spot, and someone a little further left will emerge. I feel like current politics has gone too far to the right. Hopefully there is some symbolance of functionality and things right itself. But, I am silly if I think that happens in my lifetime.
I just hope that maybe with the death of the Boomers and Trump turning the RNC into a circus that is very much a minority with younger people that the republican party as we know it is not long for this world. Maybe the current democrats move into that spot, and someone a little further left will emerge.
If ours was a reasonably healthy system, I think that’s exactly what would happen. And it wouldn’t be the first time something like that has happened.
The problem though is that the Republicans - or more precisely their think tank advisers - recognize that that’s the way things are headed, and the party is determined to stop it by any means possible, which basically boils down to undermining education and access to information to keep as much of the public as ignorant and misinformed as possible, and to destroy democratic institutions, discourage voting, gerrymander and expand the police state in order to counter those who will stubbornly end up opposing them anyway.
Broadly, there are three possible paths a party that’s gotten to the point that it no longer represents the will of enough people to be a contender can follow. It can reform itself, it can allow itself to be eliminated and replaced, or it can arrange things so that people are conned or forced into supporting it anyway, in spite of the fact that it’s really in almost nobody’s interests to do that. And the Republicans have very obviously chosen the third path.
And our system is so broken that they might just succeed.
or just being overtly moderate-at-best and trying to shame leftists into supporting them anyway.
i never understood this logic; what do they expect will happen with shaming? that the shame will get you to relinquish your beliefs somehow like it does with religious people?
I think that for many of them, it’s actually sincere. It’s not a cynical strategy to continue failing to actually represent their constituency and get elected anyway - they actually believe that those on the left who oppose them should be ashamed of doing so.
As a general rule, people aren’t consciously evil and destructive. Some certainly are, but many (most?) live in a sort of fantasy world in which they’ve framed their evil such that it’s at least justified if not actually good. They rationalize and excuse all of the concessions they make and build up this whole framework in which what they’re doing is right.
And then when they look out at other people from within that (warped) framework, it really does appear to them that those who have not chosen to do as they do are wrong for having done so, and thus justifiably shamed.
And they never stop and pull back and try to analyze things from another perspective, since to do so would risk destroying this whole fantasy world they’ve built - all of their rationalizations and excuses and comforting misconceptions would come crashing down. And they can’t allow that. So they just cling to the fantasy, which means, among other things, charging ahead with the (mis)perception that their critics are shamefully wrong.
I thought you were banned?
Temp 30 day ban from the main politics channel
Ah, so now you’re evading it by shitting here with the same tactics instead.
Seems like a good way to earn a permanent instance-wide ban to me. Good luck with that.
Ah, good point. I guess your harboring of trolls like him is why people are increasingly calling for defederating from your instance entirely.
enjoy living in your circlejerks safe from any outside opinions
People are allowed to have shitty opinions and you can still treat them like humans. I’m starting a cult that’s about being nice to people.
How am I evading it? I’m posting news articles. I’m doing nothing wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Deja vu
Comment was removed so I took part of it out.
Now where’s the lie in the article?
God what a whole lot of mental gymnastics to get a clickbait headline. The article is 95% “Hillary Clinton bad” and then backflips to try to associate it to Biden.
