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    27 days ago

    lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.

    the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.

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        27 days ago

        You can still block it easily with the command prompt (Shift+F10 during the install) as mentioned. But don’t let that stop you from switching to Linux if you feel like it.

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      27 days ago

      hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.

      It’s been this way for decades, really. Apple, Google, MS, etc. Even if they let you use it without an account, they’ll literally never stop pressuring you and annoying you into signing into an account.

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        27 days ago

        Apple doesn’t actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You’re asked once during setup and that’s it. At most there’ll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.

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          27 days ago

          They do, actually. There’s a bunch of first party software you can’t remove, perpetual notifications you can’t clear about setting up iCloud, etc.

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            27 days ago

            There’s one notice, and it’s in the System Settings app. And it’s a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google’s nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.

            You’re right about the first-party apps that you can’t remove, but it’s also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.

            On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It’s never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.

            Apple has problems, but this isn’t one of them.

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              27 days ago

              That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing

              I didn’t say it was. It is intentionally and perpetually annoying, nonetheless.

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        27 days ago

        But apparently you DO need an Apple ID to access an Apple Notes file that was shared to your Android by your crazy ex who doesn’t know that without an iPhone you won’t be able to read their undoubtedly unhinged, rambling guilt trip. Thanks Apple!

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          Sure it could, but I think Apple makes so much on overcharging for the machine itself they don’t need to be so aggressive over data collection just logically.

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            27 days ago

            Sadly I think they have to aim to do both, to make the most money as a publically traded company.

            Last I heard Apple was protecting it’s users from Facebook collecting their data… by being the ones who collect it instead. Maybe that not quite right as I don’t listen to news on Apple (outside of their opposition to right to repair).

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      25 days ago

      We would have that freedom with Android too if those stupid banking apps stopped trying to dictate what you can run on your hardware & Google giving them more features to do so.