Mehdi’s Memo on the results of our new poll on Gaza and Iran
A majority of Republican voters also believe Israel is committing genocide, and that they should genocide harder.
Not “committing”, because that would mean it’s bad. “Performing” genocide, maybe.
And also they should get started on the second temple and breeding a red heifer
Yeah, I want to see the percentages on that question. Psychos in Congress are certainly loud about it. And Donald wants to “finish the job.”
Too bad democratic leadership has their head so far up AIPAC’s ass they won’t do shit.
And yet they’ll still turn out to vote for the guys and gals doing the genocide
Well do you want 101% Hitler to do two genocides?
Who are they going to convince to canvas for this campaign? They have no grassroots base. Zionists can’t lose because Zionism is the bipartisan Washington consensus, so I doubt they’re especially motivated to canvas.
So they accept it is genocide and yet
The only political power you have within
America’s political systemelectoralism is a game of chicken wherein you withhold your vote unless change occurs. If you’re mad at people saying they won’t vote for Biden, I urge you to direct your energy at Biden and the DNC.There are other avenues to change, but they get your head bashed in by cops, so I’m confident the people tut-tutting about voting will never get involved at that level. Must feel great to ignore the devastating impact of American foreign policy just because it doesn’t happen near you!
The only political power you have within America’s political system
Within electoralism, anyway. It’s not the only power we have, it’s just the only one we’re taught, and the only one in corporate media’s Overton window.
ETA: Thanks to two (now three) red scares, I probably should spell it out for the peanut gallery: Labor power.
Yeah, I agree. I definitely meant “electoralism” where I said “America’s political system”. Thanks for the correction!
Democrats are going to elect Trump. 🙄
Can’t tell if you’re talking about me or about Biden, but I’m not a democrat, so I’ll assume you’re implying that Biden is going to elect Trump and I agree.
the fact 38% of the us believes theres no genocide going on is what catches my attention here
Eh. “A Majority of <Party> Voters” is not that impressive. According to Gallup’s running poll, Democratic Party affiliation is currently at 28%. A slim majority of a minority is… nice? It needs to be reflected strongly among independents and perhaps the opposite party to be reflected in the general population. For comparison, the majority of Republicans think the 2020 election was stolen. This view is not reflected among the general population.
I actually think a more notable statistic in this poll is the Republicans at 23%. That tells me that reactions to what is happening in Gaza has had a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.
a bipartisan effect, which has often not been the case with Israel.
Unconditional Support for Israel is absolutely bipartisan. It’s one of the few bipartisan issues that all 3 branches of government agree on. The other being unlimited funding for MIC projects.
Well, yes.
Centrists and progressives both know Netanyahu is committing genocide.
Progressives oppose it.
Centrists don’t.
Why do you choose to label people as either progressives or centrists?
Because centrists don’t like the more accurate term “Vichy Democrats”.
“Has been”, “is escalating”
He and his party are doing the calculus and figuring that they’ll do better supporting Israel because, frankly, where else are those voters going to go? Trump? He’d nuke Gaza if Netanyahu co-signed a loan for him.
Democratic voters need to vote blue no matter who, and then primary out the corporatist candidates at the earliest opportunity.
This has to be a two-pronged effort: keep the Republicans out of office permanently, and clean the Democratic slate from within.
That was what we said in 2020 and here we are. We went backwards from Obama. Either he does the right thing or there have to be consequences.
I’m sure allowing a manchild narcissist authoritarian insurrectionist to appoint more judges and sell more state secrets will teach Biden and the Dems a big lesson. 1/3 of SCOTUS were installed by an insurrectionist and about 1/2 of the House and Senate are backing an insurrectionist.
I agree, the Democrats can do literally anything (up to and including supporting genocide) so long as they’re marginally less bad than Republicans and we should support them for this reason. This strategy has no foreseeable consequences and can only make things better in the long run.
Yeah it’s pretty grim. But political parties don’t listen to anything but votes and power. They aren’t benevolent organizations. If they won’t listen to the people who voted for them last time, then voting for them this time just tells them they can ignore you.
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So it’s privileged to oppose genocide, cracker? It’s privileged to turn one’s back on murderers who do nothing for us, cracker? It’s suddenly okay to weaponize disorders I’m certain you’ve never studied, because you’re not getting your omnicidal way, cracker? What’s really astonishing is watching you crackers resort to every libel and slander in the book when the actually civilized world won’t go along with your butchering, cracker.
Sounds like Democracy is working as expected? The people want the death of American democracy, you should probably ask yourself why you are so keen on supporting it.
Yeah, but the consequences is a second Trump administration if you don’t vote for a Democratic candidate for president, and two to four more years of legislative gridlock if the Republicans aren’t reduced to powerless rump.
Do you want a second Trump administration? Think really hard about that, because the last one vacillated between “Berlusconi-level incompetency” and “Mussolini-level malice”.
The stakes really are to high to “try to teach Biden and the Democrats a lesson”, and it’s not like corporate Democrats really care, because they’d rather lose to a Republican than get primaried by a progressive and stop the gravy train forever, plus they have this weird idea that if they’re “civil” they won’t find themselves lynched during the American Krystallnacht.
The problem with not primaring out corporate Democrats is that American voters…didn’t do it. Not that it didn’t work as a strategy, because replacing corporate Republicans with fascist nutjobs is working out just fine. Maybe progressives, or at least progressive Millenials and Gen-Xers, really are too lazy to affect real change?
Wasn’t it determined that the primaries are not a democratic vote, but a suggestion the DNC will keep in mind when they ultimately dictate who will run? The real people who choose are super delegates who are insiders who vote to maintain the status quo. So claiming the primaries are the correct venue would not be correct.
Bernie won a primary. AOC won a primary. Clearly the DNC isn’t all-powerful. We have to get as many progressives in every position that we can.
Specifically not a primary for president. The statement that primaries are the place to make the party change are false and i consider it maliciously so.
President is just one primary of thousands all across the country. All the fascist laws being passed in red states? That’s being done by Republicans at the state level and the president can’t do can’t do anything about it.
Then you won’t mind if people protest vote during the presidential election.
I don’t mind if people protest vote during primary elections - that’s what they’re for. Protest voting in a two party system is shooting yourself in the foot unless you like the other guy running.
I don’t mind if people protest vote during primary elections - that’s what they’re for.
This feels a lot like giving your little brother a disconnected controller so he stops bothering you.
Isn’t every voter a Democratic voter?
