Well, I’m glad I didn’t end up buying it last week like I wanted to. I decided to wait another paycheck instead.
Saved me wasting time or money.
Honestly people shit on review-bombing over specific incidents but this is the kind of thing that 100% deserves it.
this is the kind of thing that 100% deserves it.
Most of them deserve it.
“Oh no, finding out!” - corporation that fucked around probably
Review bombing is getting people to review something a certain way without them having have experienced the thing.
Basically a small group think their own opinion is so important, they try to convince as many people as possible to vote the same to make it seem more people share their opinion.
These reviews were from players who actually played the game and got affected by the changes. It isn’t review bombing, their opinions are valid.
Not really, at least on Wikipedia the page for review bombing and the one listing significant ones make no distinction between actually having played the game/watched the movie or not.
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I am curious how this is going to effect the number of active players. I know a lot of people who were trying to get me to play this saying it was here to stay and not a trend like a Lethal Company but I feel like this hurdle might be enough to get them to give up.
I definitely have a low level of tolerance for Russian nesting dolls of accounts and launchers.
Well, a number of countries will be forced out, simply because PSN is not available there. Especially the philipinos seem so be quite upset.
PSN is available in 69 countries around the world. (Source: https://www.playstation.com/country-selector/index.html)
right now there are (roughly) 190 independent countries in the world.
The whole of Africa (except for SA; thanks to u/ItzOnza), Egypt and even european countries like Belarus don’t have PSN.
The Baltics - states that are part of the european union - are also excluded.
These people can’t create accounts.
Ive been waiting to get helldivers until I had a bit of spare cash.
Now I’m not gonna get it.
Just like I don’t want 50 different streaming services, I dont want 15 different launchers open just to play a game.
There’s no launcher as far as I know, just a linked account.
I bought the game on release week. I don’t play often but when I do it’s with friends. After hearing about this incident my plan was to wait a few days or a week to see how it resolves before deciding if I want to refund the game. However, enough of my friends have already refunded the game that, if they don’t come back, I likely won’t be playing much if at all anyway so I’ll probably refund the game this week as well, especially if nothing changes.
I signed into an old PSN account when I first downloaded the game near launch. It is in game. No launcher. I signed in once and forgot about it until right now. Not really a big deal. If your worried about security make some bogus email up and make an account that way. But other than signing in one time it hasn’t been a deal. 🤷♂️
Yeah, I used my old PS3 account. I didn’t even think twice about it. I’m not sure why people are freaking out about it?
I play with a couple of friends in the Baltics. I have PSN. There is no PSN in the Baltics. So I guess I can’t play with the friends I solely bought this game for.
Just because it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean it’s silly to complain about this.
Can they not create a Playstation account regardless of PSN service availability?
No because it is not available in their country, and making an account with a region different from your Steam account would have inherent EULA risks.
Hopefully Sony will see this as the biggest problem and do something about it. I don’t think these people should have been able to spend money on this for it to be taken away, but that’s a storefront issue as well. Steam and Sony will have to make some decisions about this, cause it wasn’t thought out and implemented very well. They should’ve had some stronger safeguards.
I didn’t even think twice about it. I’m not sure why people are freaking out about it?
They thought about it twice
I didn’t get the game because it’s packed full of all the terrible corporate stuff you see in terrible corporate games. Always Online, Rootkit anticheat, in-game store to purchase items when the game is already expensive. I doubt adding “must give your information to Sony” is going to be the tipping point for anyone who is fine with everything else.
Why does a fully cooperative game needs an anti-cheat software in the first place. I don’t give a fuck about cheaters as long as its not competitive. Deep rock galactic for example works great without all of this bullshit.
To prevent people from spawning in unreleased content that is in the game, giving their group the maximum cap of in-game currency, and so on. Tamps down on the boosting market.
If i happen to encounter such stuff, i just leave. And for stuff like moneycheat that would affect my savegame, DRG for example provides a couple of backupsaves to roll back. So i can easily avoid being affected by cheaters and if others want to cheat, i just don’t mind. But i would mind having to install a rootkit of questionable origin.
Exactly. That’s why I play with cross play off on PS5, but I also think PC players shouldn’t get locked out if they can’t make an account in their country, so in my eyes that’s the big fuck up. And it’s Sony’s fault, not Arrowhead. They should foot the community wrath and the remedy.
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As I said in another comment I think it’s more about people having to create another account.
I also don’t know how or if PSN integration is going to impact matchmaking.
Playing not online is miserable
Waaaaaaa anti cheat
The in game store requires zero to actual money and is probably the most fair one to date.
Game is expensive (it’s the standard price?)
Jesus cry more about something you haven’t even done.
This is not a hurdle, its a nuisance at best. It’s stupid though.
I know at least two people who live in countries w/o PSN support and can’t play now. This is a hurdle.
Crossplay is mandatory, and linking an account for crossplay was always mandatory, they had issues at launch, paused the requirement, and are now reestablishing it.
Thats kinda on them, or for Steam for selling it in their location, but they probably bypassed that to get the game.
From launch until now, creating a PSN account was optional due to technical issues. And while this wasn’t properly conveyed to the playerbase, the game was sold in tons of regions where you straight up can’t make a PSN account. Something like 50+ out of 123 regions where the game was sold cannot make PSN accounts. And using a VPN or lying about your region to make an account is a bannable offense.
The privacy complaints I have more of an issue with since GameGuard, the DRM used, is just as much, if not more, of a privacy issue compared to Sony’s horrible data security and invasive data harvesting. GameGuard has kernel level access to the entirety of your system while it’s running, usually installs itself as an on boot up background process, and has been caught by anti-virus software editing files outside of the game directory.
The first is a genuinely refund worthy issue, if not a class-action lawsuit in the making, while the second one is people being ignorant to how much data they’re actually giving away.
I’m curious how you are so bold to say something as patently false as your first sentence with such confidence knowing that anyone with the game can deactivate it in settings and it works without a PSN account anyway.
This is on PC and unlike some other ported PS games I don’t think there is an option to play offline I imagine a lot of people are going to be creating PSN accounts I’d say that’s a hurdle for some people.
Sony has a record of not respecting its workers, users or consumers.
2005 Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal
Now they want more userdata and kernel level anticheat. Surely there is no way for this to backfire
Is the last two their fault? They were attacked.
Yes. Their platform, their security. Their failure to secure their users data is solely their fault. Notice that other platforms don’t have this issue. You’d think after the first one, they’d fucking pony up and take security seriously. Sony didn’t learn anything.
If it was just one event, I’d advocate for leniency. But Sony doesn’t get that from me.
The last two were because Sony was storing personal data. This store made them a target.
Like the personal data they require when you sign up to PSN to play Helldivers 2.
If they don’t collect data, they wouldn’t be such a juicy target. So, yes, it is partly their own fault because they took the known risk of storing personal information.
They played with fire and got burned … more than once.
Source: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/privacy-policy/
Deserved. It’s just not necessary. Think, why would a multi-billion dollar company want you to sign up for some other service, even if it’s free? Because they want your data, and they want to sell it.
If only there was a digital bill of rights that applied to all tech companies that would make the selling of data illegal.
Nah, sounds difficult. let’s just ban ticktok for my lobbyist buddy.
Theoretically their community management tools are based on PSN, which does make some sense. This is the official reason for it. Of course they’re also hoovering up all your data to sell also. That’s the reason that gives them more money, so the real reason.
I mean, it IS their own game. Let’s not be disingenuous, they would be doing the same even if it was Steam data.
Another victory lap for patient gamers.
There is a lifetime of content to consume without taking video games or the internet into account. You are optional.
I just started BioShock Infinite. I am only a few years behind.
Bioshock Infinite is 11 years old
Pretty fun so far. Bonus, it runs at 4k 144fps highest graphics.
But if you were impatient and played it on release you could have played it without requiring a PSN account.
And now they would need to fight for a refund, only some people got it, others are on their 5th try.
Patient gaming is great for single player games. Not so much for live service.
You say that, but it clearly worked here. And, for live service games in general, playing The Waiting Game™ lets you see how bullshit said live service ends up becoming after a awhile.
I was waiting until some sort of offline mode since I’ve been burned by The Crew, I don’t think it’s happening considering how anal they are being about a PSN account.
I remember when it came out people were saying it’s anti-cheat was basically malware. Denuvo, I think?
Anyway, it’s disappointing because I hear it’s a truly great game. But between this and that, I think I’m soured on the idea of playing.
An hour after this announcement was made, a tiny update was pushed via GamGuard to steam players and now there’s a .DLL file that’s being flagged by antivirus as a malware. My AV detects and cleans the file, making the game completely broken. There a Steam discussion about this issue and, surprise surprise, the file in question is used by GameGuard.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with Sony’s recent announcement of their patent for biometric harassment detection.
That’s exactly why I purchased the game on ps5 instead of PC. And now I also don’t have to worry about this issue.
Good for you? The post isn’t about people like us playing on PlayStation, it’s about people like my buddies I play with that thought they were good to go with their steam accounts and are now being railroaded a few months later by having to give their data to PSN, who is notorious for not managing said data well.
“It’s in the ToCs”, you might say, which is only highlighting a broader issue where you basically have to wade through pages of legal bullshit to just play a game you bought and not get fucked by the EULA.
Well said.
Well that might work, if I had a PS5 laying about.
Data is beautiful.
Wow what the fuck has happened?!
They’re mandating you have a playstation account to play on PC. That was always in the terms, and on the steam page, but you didn’t have to. Until very recently.
And if you don’t live in one of the 65 countries where PSN operates, you can go fuck yourself, because your game just stopped working.
Wow fuck all that
Can’t you just use an US account though? I don’t mean to say that this isn’t a major issue as it is, but are you really blocked from linking it? I don’t live in the US but I have a us pen account since forever
That would be violating the terms of service, and could presumably get your Helldivers 2 account banned.
I’m aware of this, but I’ve never heard of this being enforced outside of people trying to use credit cards of other regions, and they only resulted on temporary suspensions.
My question is on the enforcement of the linking. Does it stop you from doing something like this?
Violation of PSN terms of service.
Also worth point out that up until yesterday, Sony said a PSN account wasn’t it required to play games games on PC. They changed it shortly after the backlash.
Capitalism
Look, I got hit with that stupid 2011 data breach PSN had and I still get scam emails with details from that due to the unique stuff I put in my various accounts. I’m not going to try to resurrect my now defunct account or create a new one so they can do more data mining and lose more of my PII, again.
I sure am happy i didnt buy this earlier because of the enforced rootkit.
Kernel Level Anti Cheat… In a co-op game!?
Why they did this is beyond me! 😔
Oh no! Billy cheated his way to a new cape!! 🙄
It really is quite silly. There aren’t even leaderboards or anything
Billy cheating made you unlock everything in 1 too, that’s their reasoning at least.
And fair enough, but you need to install a rootkit on my machine so Billy can’t get me a new cape?!
Lies!
It was a silly hat.
It’s doubly puzzling, because that component is just disabled on Linux and Steamdeck.
Honestly there were a few reasons I didn’t get it, but I’ll say the rootkit was a big one.
Yeah, that had me already decided that if I did get it, it would be on ps5 not pc. Though this move will probably make me do that in general for any ps exclusive game they make a pc port of.
Say what you will about the giant bugs and socialist toasters, but they never sold out their own for a percentage.
A Starship Troopers, BSG, and Aliens reference. Nice!
Well deserved imo
i don’t even care about making the account, it’s just a throwaway email and password, but the rug pull for players from other countries isn’t fair at all
This is far too common with games now, all over Steam as well. RDR2 is a great example, the Rockstar launcher and social club is total dogshit!
Fuck RDR2 has a launcher? Maybe I’ll just pirate it
Yeah, even with Steam it will force you to install the Rockstar launcher and create a social club account, very annoying!
The Social Club has been a thing since GTA 4. So, for 15 years?
And it has been shit since then
no shit a bunch of my friend picked it up last month and were bugging me to buy it and join them. I get paid today and had planned on buying this weekend.
but I ain’t got a playstation or PSN account so ima hold off. im not sure all of my friends do either, for that matter. back to modded CP2077 it is!
I’m like an hour in… mod reccos?
I haven’t played with mods myself, but one I’d recommend would be a third-person camera mod, and maybe one that lets you customize vehicles.
