• cricbuzz [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    2 months ago

    it creates the pressure to look into legislation

    Please explain to me what you mean by this and who exactly exerts this ‘pressure’?

    Less supply of cheap labour increases price of said labour

    And how is this done exactly? How does ending tipping lead to a decreased supply of ‘cheal labour’. Perhaps it’s due to people who were already on the margins of society going down to $2.13/hour (the US minimum wage for any server) and losing their house then dropping out of the labor pool altogether. That would certainly reduce the supply of ‘cheap labour’ eh? Fucking idiot

    There’s a shitty transition phase

    Please explain. What are the material realities of this ‘uncomfy’ transition phase

    and tipping is not a requirement here

    And why is that exactly? Because folks are paid a living wage to begin with?

    Listen, if you’re going to flippantly say we need to end tipping you really need to fucking face up to what that actually means and not just ‘hand waive’ peoples lives away as mere market externalities

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      2 months ago

      Please explain to me what you mean by this and who exactly exerts this ‘pressure’?

      When all tipping is cut, any and all jobs that pay above $2.13 become immediately better option for all previous tip workers.

      And how is this done exactly?

      Without tipping, it is illegal to employ workers below minimum wage. The problem is that the law allows it, and everyone complies.

      What if one of the interested parties organised to cut short that supply of money? Any attempt to point blame at customers is just capitalists avoiding their responsibility, as usual.

      Customers and employees are not enemies. With tipping, you empower rich customers, and cut access to less wealthy people to a pleasing experience with their friends and family.

      Please explain. What are the material realities of this ‘uncomfy’ transition phase

      Can we really predict all details of the future?

      The immediate effect should be that a huge amount of people would have to look for new jobs, if restaurant bourgeoisie won’t raise wages.

      Restaurant bourgeoisie is also likely to increase prices in their establishments.

      And why is that exactly? Because folks are paid a living wage to begin with?

      Yes. Barely, but yet.

      I’m not hand waving anything. If the US had a strong proletariat government, this could be supported by state incentives. It wouldn’t even be a issue in the first place.

      Without that state incentive, how could things start moving? I’d go for seeding class consciousness between tip workers and customers. Most customers are also working class.