A lot of leftists are marxist-leninist, anti-sexist, LGBT+ and anti-racist. BUT, they’ll tell you the dumbest right-wing arguments to justify eating animals. I get that people aren’t ideal, but when you are the urban middle class of the West, there’s no excuse to not be vegan. Absolutely, no, excuse, to, murder, animals. Historical materialism lets me ok people from poor/oppressed backgrounds being carnist. I would never denounce a carnist in Gaza, but the Westerners have no any excuses to abuse animals.

I get that some people just have no will, I know people can be addicted. But at least DON’T BE A JERK to vegans. Some “leftists” post propaganda about veganism like YT videos that are literally funded by oil corporations. Some “leftists” are so toxic I’d rather have a conservative as my roommate than them.

The “leftists” lie all the time. Meat, dairy, eggs and honey are luxury products available mosty to those in the imperial core. The poor countries like India, Nigeria, Uganda and North Korea eat diets closest to veganism BECAUSE plant foods are the cheapest foods, not carnist subsidized McFood.

Dealing with leftists, especially online, is draining to me. How can I be productive as a leftist and not go insane? How can I cooperate with carnists to achieve the revolution? I see no easy solution here

  • booty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    27·
    7 months ago

    Though I will also strongly argue against making veganism or animal liberation the make-or-break issue, since I genuinely believe that there are more important matters that should be handled first, including ensuring stable food supplies for much of the world.

    this argument can be used to dismiss literally any issue that isn’t food insecurity. “stop complaining about transphobia, some people don’t have food!”

      • Vegan T-34OPEnglish
        9·
        7 months ago

        Plant-based diet is about food. Veganism is about animals (horse riding, animal testing)

        • CTHlurker [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          61·
          7 months ago

          Don’t think I’ve ever heard of vegans being principled against horseback riding before, but I’ll take your word for it. Never met anyone being against animal testing from a vegan perspective before either, but again, you seem more knowledgeable than me regarding this point.

          But in your view, is veganism about the right to life/freedom for animals then? Or what is veganism, if it is not about food.

          • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            18·
            7 months ago

            Vegans aren’t necessarily always in agreement since there isn’t a unified vegan front yet, but taken as a principle it should be a recognition that animals don’t deserve mistreatment. Animals should be recognized as living entities, same as humans. A vegan should see eating an animal as equivalent to cannibalism. Would you say refusing to be a cannibal is a type of diet?

            It’s not necessarily a set of restrictions on diet, but rather, the promotion of an ethical framework of how to end animal exploitation. The food thing comes up a lot because that’s what most people will encounter the most. It’s the most common type of animal exploitation. Vegans also refuse to wear leather or wool.

            Ethical vegans would necessarily argue against horseback riding, or any other sort of animal husbandry. Some vegans are so against animal husbandry they’ll refuse to eat crops grown through the manipulation of bees, like some avocados.

          • booty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            12·
            7 months ago

            Read the sidebar. Literally the first stated rule is:

            No plant-based diet bullshit or promotion of plant-based capitalism. Veganism isn’t about you, it’s about historical materialist anti-speciesism, anti-racist animalization, and animal liberation. Ethical vegans only.