• I for one look forward to relocated, betrayal-brained banderites with Gladio programming popping off a terror campaign inside the US with millions in cash and materiel support they squirreled away and smuggled here.

    v cool stuff.

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    Flipping through my history book on Egypt and looking at the chapters after 1956. Gotta say, I hope it ends better than this.

    The Suez Crisis signaled the decline of British/French hegemony, but it ushered in a new era of American hegemony. I would not call it a “humbling episode for the West” nearly so much as a changing of the guard.

    I genuinely dread what arises from the wrecked state of Ukraine in subsequent decades. A rapidly rearmed Western Europe would not be what I would describe as a move towards the “Good Timeline”, particularly given how modern German Greens and their AfD rivals echo the sentiments of a certain prior national socialist political movement.

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      The difference being there is no western capitalist order to take control after the Ukraine crisis. All emerging powers are in the East. Even if Europe rearms it would only be to strengthen the USD. Unless you’re gonna start dropping nukes on Russia and China there’s really not a whole lot the west can do. We have no emerging powers.

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      They can try, the Euros aren’t fighting depopulated continents, feudal statelets, or divided colonial subjects anymore, the rest of the world has more numbers and way more firepower

      Also they’re ruled by state-hating ordoliberals who have heart attacks at just the idea of expanding state capacity

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      Fair, it was more humbling for Europe than the west overall, but this time the rising power is China with BRICS around it, so I’m pretty optimistic. Personally, I don’t see how western Europe can rapidly rearm either given how deindustrialized it is and with energy prices in Europe being what they are.

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      it’s gonna take a few more months for western media to start accepting the fact that the war is lost

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          it’s really a testament to the power of western propaganda that they managed to keep the narrative going this long

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            It’s been mind blowing to watch all of this unfold. The confidence they have in their own bullshit always shakes me, even when I know it really seems like bullshit.

            I was pretty sure that having and controlling labor, materials, and productive capital is more important than currency, but they really had me doubting myself. It turns out I was actually right? What the fuck? They can’t outdo Russia without escalating to horrendous violence, and thankfully they’re afraid to go any further than they already have.

            The last time this self-doubt happened to me in a major way was when all of the news was insisting that the ghettos of Venezuela were at any moment going to rise up, install Guaido as president, and demand their oil fields be sold to American oil companies. It didn’t see how that was possible, but it was a daily narrative on NPR. I kept wondering if I was missing something obvious. It turns out I was fucking right. That’s actually why I stopped listening to NPR. Why would I willing listen to this imperial bullshit?

            Also, it looks like a lot of Russians remember the 90s, better than I do I’m sure. Why would most of these people want to be pillaged by the west again? It seems like Russia (and much of Ukraine too) has almost no would be collaborators. I thought the narrative that 150 million plus people were yearning to be ruled over by the richest Americans and Western Europeans was pretty dubious, but the only people agreeing with me were scum of the earth communists. Well, once again, I was fucking right.

            I need to trust the immortal science when it reveals an essential truth. Ok, that’s enough of this rambling.

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              For sure, there’s just so much gaslighting in western media that it makes you question your own sanity at times. The past two years exposed the west for the Potemkin village that it really is. All of a sudden people are seeing that Russia can get by without the west a lot better than the west can get by without Russia because it’s the material things that matter in the end. It’s not about GDP or stocks, it’s about industrial capacity, food, and energy production. These are the things that really matter.

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              Western media is doing it’s job. Create a false caricature of an enemy, dehumanize it and then gaslight everyone into believing their lies and propaganda and you did a good job at resisting it, comrade.

              When the Ukraine war started and news channels in my country began to air a documentary about Putin’s life story (PUTIN IS A FORMER KGB AGENT KGB BAD SOVIET UNION BAD), I began to have doubts about everything. I was already in a pretty bad mental state back then and seeing everyone siding with fucking Nazis and believing all the bullshit Western Media cooked during the early days of the war definitely didn’t help; got in a few heated arguments and none of them ended well.

              However, watching recent events unfold and the rise of China as a global socialist superpower has reinvigorated my beliefs and cemented the immortal science in my mind and heart.

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    which is why they’ll sign some freeze agreement with russian porkies, to prepare for rd.2, lebensraum in our lifetimes

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      Putin is a dog brained lib who took way too long to understand that American imperialism will never suffer a Russia standing on its own two feet as an equal, but even he should have learned better by now