What separates a “tankie” from a Marxist-Leninist? Is it just vibes? I got called a tankie for recommending a “leftist” to read Marx, specifically Critique of the Gotha Programme. Said leftist thought that the biggest factor of Capitalism is the employee-employer relationship, which is of course ridiculous, as that would mean feudalism is Capitalist, or even Market Socialism.
Since I get to see a lot of hexbear posts and comments as a lemmy.ml account, I can genuinely say that the biggest distinction between hexbear and lemmy.world, besides the fact that hexbear is explicitly leftist, is that hexbear users love to combat liberals and liberalism, often dogpiling on anti-communist takes, which .world sees as disruptive.
Marxism predicted a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat during the proletariat revolution. Marxist-Leninism took the temporary dictatorship prediction and ran with it, establishing a permanent dictatorship of the communist party, which Lenin called the Vanguard Party.
There are Marxists that disagree with the idea of the Leninists’ Vanguard Party and authoritarianism. Tankies, on the other hand, are the communists that support this idea of a permanent communist dictatorship and its authoritarianism, at least in a nutshell.
So I would say that most ML Commies are technically ‘tankies’, but not all commies are ML. A lot of commies are just M.
I’m aware of the allegations, I just think people who believe Marxism-Leninism is in contrast to Marxism are “anarchist-washing” Marx’s actual writings and beliefs. See Critique of the Gotha Programme.
What separates Lenin from Marxism is the idea of a vanguard party, the concept of Democraric Centralism, and Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism, not how long the dictatorship of the Proletariat might last. Additionally, Marxism-Leninism wants the DoP to last until there is no more Bourgeoisie, same as traditional Marxism, it doesn’t mean that after that happens there is no government, just no means by which one class oppresses the other. Same as Marxism.
Marx, after all, refers to any Capitalist state as a Bourgeois dictatorship, regardless of the presence of Liberal Democracy. The dictatorship of the Proletariat just refers to the presence of a worker-state, a state democratically run by the workers, and that’s what Marxism-Leninism proposes.
Basically, my point is that people that oppose Marxism-Leninism should usually also oppose Marxism itself, because they aren’t really different. It’s completely fine to be an Anarchist who accepts the analysis of Capitalism done by Marx and Lenin but rejects the statist nature of Marxism, but I do think that the idea of Lenin somehow going against Marxism is “anarchist-washing” of the statist nature of Marx himself.
I’m aware of the dictionary definition, I want to know why you think Marxism is fine while Marxism-Leninism isn’t. How is Marxism-Leninism authoritarian, when Marxism isn’t? Have you read Critique of the Gotha Programme? You’re “anarchist-washing” Marx, who advocated for a democratically run Worker-State, just like Marxism-Leninism does. All Lenin adds is a critique of Imperialism, the concept of Democratic Centralism (which is already the de-facto form of democratic decision making in the world), and the idea of a Vanguard Party being necessary.
That’s why I’m saying you’re purely operating off vibes. It’s 100% okay to be an Anarchist that appreciates Marx’s critique of Capitalism, and even Lenin’s critique of Imperialism, while instead preferring Anarchism in action, or even Reformist Socialism, but don’t pretend Marx was some hero of anarchism or something.
On what grounds? They read Marx and Lenin, discuss their works, and personally claim to be Marxist-Leninists. If you aren’t referring to Marxism-Leninism, then what are you referring to?
To be honest, I don’t really think you’re engaging in good faith.
I think being demonstrably pro-Russian anti-Ukraine is one such example. I think they coddled the Chinese government too much. The allies they have do not align with true communist values.
That’s just incorrect. I’m a Marxist and to just fine here. Communist does not equal tankie, which Hexbear is full of.
What separates a “tankie” from a Marxist-Leninist? Is it just vibes? I got called a tankie for recommending a “leftist” to read Marx, specifically Critique of the Gotha Programme. Said leftist thought that the biggest factor of Capitalism is the employee-employer relationship, which is of course ridiculous, as that would mean feudalism is Capitalist, or even Market Socialism.
Since I get to see a lot of hexbear posts and comments as a lemmy.ml account, I can genuinely say that the biggest distinction between hexbear and lemmy.world, besides the fact that hexbear is explicitly leftist, is that hexbear users love to combat liberals and liberalism, often dogpiling on anti-communist takes, which .world sees as disruptive.
Marxism predicted a temporary dictatorship of the proletariat during the proletariat revolution. Marxist-Leninism took the temporary dictatorship prediction and ran with it, establishing a permanent dictatorship of the communist party, which Lenin called the Vanguard Party.
There are Marxists that disagree with the idea of the Leninists’ Vanguard Party and authoritarianism. Tankies, on the other hand, are the communists that support this idea of a permanent communist dictatorship and its authoritarianism, at least in a nutshell.
So I would say that most ML Commies are technically ‘tankies’, but not all commies are ML. A lot of commies are just M.
I’m aware of the allegations, I just think people who believe Marxism-Leninism is in contrast to Marxism are “anarchist-washing” Marx’s actual writings and beliefs. See Critique of the Gotha Programme.
What separates Lenin from Marxism is the idea of a vanguard party, the concept of Democraric Centralism, and Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism, not how long the dictatorship of the Proletariat might last. Additionally, Marxism-Leninism wants the DoP to last until there is no more Bourgeoisie, same as traditional Marxism, it doesn’t mean that after that happens there is no government, just no means by which one class oppresses the other. Same as Marxism.
Marx, after all, refers to any Capitalist state as a Bourgeois dictatorship, regardless of the presence of Liberal Democracy. The dictatorship of the Proletariat just refers to the presence of a worker-state, a state democratically run by the workers, and that’s what Marxism-Leninism proposes.
Basically, my point is that people that oppose Marxism-Leninism should usually also oppose Marxism itself, because they aren’t really different. It’s completely fine to be an Anarchist who accepts the analysis of Capitalism done by Marx and Lenin but rejects the statist nature of Marxism, but I do think that the idea of Lenin somehow going against Marxism is “anarchist-washing” of the statist nature of Marx himself.
Typically whether they support authoritarianism or not.
Is authoritarianism just vibes? What makes Marx not authoritarian?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/authoritarianism
I’m aware of the dictionary definition, I want to know why you think Marxism is fine while Marxism-Leninism isn’t. How is Marxism-Leninism authoritarian, when Marxism isn’t? Have you read Critique of the Gotha Programme? You’re “anarchist-washing” Marx, who advocated for a democratically run Worker-State, just like Marxism-Leninism does. All Lenin adds is a critique of Imperialism, the concept of Democratic Centralism (which is already the de-facto form of democratic decision making in the world), and the idea of a Vanguard Party being necessary.
That’s why I’m saying you’re purely operating off vibes. It’s 100% okay to be an Anarchist that appreciates Marx’s critique of Capitalism, and even Lenin’s critique of Imperialism, while instead preferring Anarchism in action, or even Reformist Socialism, but don’t pretend Marx was some hero of anarchism or something.
I never made any characterization of Marx-Leninism. I think you’re wildly misattributing that philosophy to the hex-bear crowd.
On what grounds? They read Marx and Lenin, discuss their works, and personally claim to be Marxist-Leninists. If you aren’t referring to Marxism-Leninism, then what are you referring to?
To be honest, I don’t really think you’re engaging in good faith.
I think being demonstrably pro-Russian anti-Ukraine is one such example. I think they coddled the Chinese government too much. The allies they have do not align with true communist values.