• ReCursing
    8•2 months ago

    Yes they’re both shit, but one IS much worse than the other. Don’t let this kind of shit tier meme allow fascism to slide in (yes trump is a textbook fascist)

      • Aquilae [he/him, they/them]
        6•2 months ago

        You’d still be voting for the genocide of 99%. And voting for Hindenburg did not stop Hitler.

        Of course, you do have the option of voting for someone other than the genocidal candidates, and organizing and taking direct action to put pressure on this genocidal imperialist state.

  • AGuyAcrossTheInternet
    4•2 months ago

    I’ve decided to abstain from voting, this time.

    Granted, it may be because I’m nowhere near the U.S.

    If you are, though, do pick your poison. You have this system, make use of it. And none of that “but it won’t change anything” nonsense!

    • Abolish AmerikkkaOP
      1•2 months ago

      Electoralism is a bullshit. Only a revolution will change things

      • AGuyAcrossTheInternet
        4•2 months ago

        Sure the country needs to be turned off and on again, but clearly the median isn’t interested in that. So what remains? The system.

      • HopeOfTheGunblade
        2•2 months ago

        Revolutions, on average, make things worse. Seriously, the outcome of the median revolution is pretty terrible. Things need to be incredibly bad before it’s an improvement in expected value to do a revolution, instead of trying to improve the existing system.

          • HopeOfTheGunblade
            -3•2 months ago

            Seems to be working for the Nordic countries. I genuinely think that if you try a revolution in America, what you get will not be socialism. If you’re lucky, you will fail and get violent government rerribution. If you aren’t lucky, you’ll get full on authoritarianism, with mass bloody purges of undesirables of all shades. The rate of revolutions leading to good outcomes sucks. Mostly you get various flavors of dictatorships. Often with state sponsored mass murder.

            • @Cowbee@lemmy.ml
              3•2 months ago

              Nordic countries are not Socialist, they are Capitalist with ever-eroding safety nets that still depend on Imperialism to subsidize their safety nets. Their disparity is rising as Capitalism decays.

              Revolution, ie siezing control of the state, does not need to be violent.

              You should read Reform or Revolition.

              • HopeOfTheGunblade
                3•2 months ago

                How would you do so nonviolently? Would you get your people into office? That seems like the nonviolent way to seize control of the state, but if there is another, I’m interested to hear it.

                • @Cowbee@lemmy.ml
                  1•2 months ago

                  Syndicalism is another method. The vast majority of Leftists don’t believe you can simply use a Capitalist state for Socialism.