• keepcarrot [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    6 months ago
    a communist global community would struggle with resources just as much as any poor socialist country does today.
    

    I don’t think they would. Taiwan, Australia, and the Philippines are all hyper-capitalist.

    But Taiwan, Australia, and the Philippines are all in a Capitalist global community and not banned from trading with the majority of the world’s resources? There isn’t a Communist Global Community atm

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      But Taiwan, Australia, and the Philippines are all in a Capitalist global community

      They’re in a mixed community, with a bias towards the regional heavyweight - Communist China. Australia’s biggest trading partner - accounting for 26% of their total import/export mark - is China. Taiwan is closer to 50%. And these are on essentials like energy and agriculture. Stuff you can’t just start sourcing from half a world away, if you decide you’d rather do business exclusively with a capitalist state like the US or Germany.

      There isn’t a Communist Global Community atm

      There isn’t any uniform Global Community. The largest industrial economy in the world is Communist. The largest financial economy in the world is Capitalist. And trade flows between them all in a web too tight to separate.

      What puts Cuba at a disadvantage relative to, say, Vietnam or North Korea or Venezuela, is that it is a meager 90 miles from a global superpower intent on its destruction. Cuba is a country under siege in a way no other communist state can claim to be. Even the USSR was not put under the kind of concentrated pressure that the Cubans endured.

      Taiwan would be in a similar predicament if it were subject to the kind of naked hostility that the US inflicts on Cuba. Imagine China threatening to cut off all trade to Japan, Korea, Indonesia, and the Philippines if they failed to abide by the Chinese embargo of the Taiwanese island. Which way would these countries ultimately bend under that kind of pressure?

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        6 months ago

        I feel like the OP example was if 99% of the world’s wealth (or something) was in Communist hands and they had a vested interest in excluding Australia, not that Communist China exists and does some sort of exclusion. I feel like if the imports and exports for Australia (or whatever) were similar to Cubas per person, Australia would not be as comfortable a place to live. Communist China still engages in the “Capitalist Global Economy”. And, hypothetically, if the command of the global markets were in Communists hands (rather than capitalists), there might be such an embargo. But that isn’t the case right now. A global communist market between nations means that there isn’t a global capitalist market between nations. And if, say, Australia struggled with food and tech access under such circumstances…? idk

        I feel like we’re arguing about semantics and definitions of scenarios here, and how such things are judged.

        PS: I’m kinda drunk right now. What’s going on?

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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          I feel like the OP example was if 99% of the world’s wealth (or something) was in Communist hands

          Nothing like that exists in the modern moment. Hell, the whole reason Americans hate Cuba is because this very large and wealthy island isn’t Capitalist, thereby preventing the US from approaching that 99% high score.

          I feel like if the imports and exports for Australia (or whatever) were similar to Cubas per person, Australia would not be as comfortable a place to live.

          Because Australians would be operating under an embargo that unnaturally deflates their export capacity.

          PS: I’m kinda drunk right now. What’s going on?

          And so I cry sometimes when I’m lying in bed

          Just to get it all out, what’s in my head

          And I, I am feeling a little peculiar