otto warmbier, was caught trying to steal a poster at his hotel in the dprk and died after being repatriated following serious health complications during his incarceration
He died after his conviction. American coroners found no evidence that he was killed or tortured. The settler probably never worked a real day in his life.
The DPRK is quite literally at war with the US, which is actively trying to turn it into another Libya. The state can chill out and become Belgium when they don’t have bi-annual war games planning an invasion against their country.
I mean this with no disrespect, but if you come from the West, your police serve capital. There’s don’t. I get that you’re used your police serving the real estate industry and trying to fill quotas for drug crimes, and this is what you see every day.
No they detained him because he was acting sketchy as hell stealing shit and acting like a spy. Then he had a medical issue while incarcerated, went into a coma and there’s no evidence of DPRK doing anything to him.
His body had no bedsores on it and no evidence of torture. They were turning him multiple times a day to prevent bed sores, just like medical professionals are supposed to
Looks like he got beat up by the cops after he caused a disturbance. Then died of complications. Not great. Maybe if we let the dprk have proper medical supplies that wouldn’t have happened
Not a good take. We absolutely do need to justify whatever degree of violence we think it will take to replace capitalism – how else are we supposed to get popular support for it? Even the “we shall not make excuses for the terror” quote immediately excuses the terror by pointing out how it’s a response to the violence of “the royal terrorists.” The “there were two reigns of terror” quote does the same. Justifying violence also clarifies which types of violence are necessary and which are excessive, which is another key part of building and keeping popular support (see Mao separating the PLA from the warlords by mandating that they pay for supplies from peasants rather than just stealing them, see the Red Army’s punishment of sexual violence during WWII).
And that’s in a revolutionary context. In a post-revoutionary AES state there’s even more rationale to justify whatever violence we think is necessary to maintain that state, as the threats it faces are less imminent and it has more resources and time.
The American coroner who did the autopsy identified no evidence that he was physically harmed by anyone in any way. Why exactly do you think the American coroner would lie to protect North Korean prison guards from Americans’ disapproval?
Also in addition to what others have said, this wasn’t just a poster in some random hotel. It was a poster from a specific floor in that hotel that was used for official military purposes, has restricted access, and he was told explicitly NOT to go there.
what’s the context? who is it?
otto warmbier, was caught trying to steal a poster at his hotel in the dprk and died after being repatriated following serious health complications during his incarceration
they killed him because of a poster?
He died after his conviction. American coroners found no evidence that he was killed or tortured. The settler probably never worked a real day in his life.
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The DPRK bravely defends itself daily from Amerikan fuckery.
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The DPRK is quite literally at war with the US, which is actively trying to turn it into another Libya. The state can chill out and become Belgium when they don’t have bi-annual war games planning an invasion against their country.
I mean this with no disrespect, but if you come from the West, your police serve capital. There’s don’t. I get that you’re used your police serving the real estate industry and trying to fill quotas for drug crimes, and this is what you see every day.
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when taken as a religious mantra, is worse than useless
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No they detained him because he was acting sketchy as hell stealing shit and acting like a spy. Then he had a medical issue while incarcerated, went into a coma and there’s no evidence of DPRK doing anything to him.
His body had no bedsores on it and no evidence of torture. They were turning him multiple times a day to prevent bed sores, just like medical professionals are supposed to
The torture accusations are completely unfounded.
He seems to have gotten botulism and then his parents pulled the plug on him after his vegetative body was returned
Looks like he got beat up by the cops after he caused a disturbance. Then died of complications. Not great. Maybe if we let the dprk have proper medical supplies that wouldn’t have happened
No evidence of any beatings or torture whatsoever
No, but like. A hand full of scared shitless dprk cops and a corn fed good ol boy causing a ruckus? A couple elbows are easily forgivable.
We don’t got to justify our violence
Not a good take. We absolutely do need to justify whatever degree of violence we think it will take to replace capitalism – how else are we supposed to get popular support for it? Even the “we shall not make excuses for the terror” quote immediately excuses the terror by pointing out how it’s a response to the violence of “the royal terrorists.” The “there were two reigns of terror” quote does the same. Justifying violence also clarifies which types of violence are necessary and which are excessive, which is another key part of building and keeping popular support (see Mao separating the PLA from the warlords by mandating that they pay for supplies from peasants rather than just stealing them, see the Red Army’s punishment of sexual violence during WWII).
And that’s in a revolutionary context. In a post-revoutionary AES state there’s even more rationale to justify whatever violence we think is necessary to maintain that state, as the threats it faces are less imminent and it has more resources and time.
That is a good point
The American coroner who did the autopsy identified no evidence that he was physically harmed by anyone in any way. Why exactly do you think the American coroner would lie to protect North Korean prison guards from Americans’ disapproval?
Also in addition to what others have said, this wasn’t just a poster in some random hotel. It was a poster from a specific floor in that hotel that was used for official military purposes, has restricted access, and he was told explicitly NOT to go there.