A robot burned is a job earned.
No happy new year for Skynet.
Lol chinatown up to some worldstar shit
China is really horrible! Look at the destruction! /s
You guys have the most aggressive members here and I dont get it. I dont mean I dont get the hatred for cars, but you all act like we chose to have cars everywhere, and that the future doesnt have a place for cars. Maybe cars are bad (they are) but they have been around for over a century and there is a MASSIVR amount of infrastructure around cars. They arent going anywhere and at this point trying to eliminate them entirely would be absurd, all this infrastructure would be pointless and we just dont operate like that. Regardless, your clique here is hostile and irrational, im tired of your content being on my front page so I will be blocking it after this. Good luck.
Many people literally die each year because of car-centric infrastructure, and you’re basically telling us to calm down? No fucking way.
Before cars, there used to be a massive amount of infrastructure for trains and streetcars, not to mention walkable neighbourhood, but they all get demolished for cars. So yes, we do operate like that.
And did I mention that car-centricity kills people each year? So yes, eliminate all cars if we have to. But honestly, I don’t think anyone wants to eliminate all cars, just those we don’t need (which is most of them).
Cars are absolutely going somewhere. Cars won’t exist in 100 years (or will be so rare they will be basically negligible) because either we will have phased them out or they will have brought about the collapse of the complex society needed to support them.
The problem is not just Internal combustion, but a myriad of issues with the most fundamental and intractable being that the fact that geometry hates cars. Car based society has been an experiment that’s only been going for less than 100 years, and it’s already failed. Even with essentially infinite cheap energy, cities like Detroit and Flint, early adopters of car-centric design, are showing us what the future looks like for any city that doesn’t radically change course.
There will be massive suffering, reguarless of the course we take. People will lose massive amounts of wealth. Lots of people will die as the collapse of car infrastructure displaces massive numbers of people. The question is only if we aggressively mitigate the impact of the collapse of car culture, or keep pretending that cars aren’t going away and allow the humanitarian crisis to grow beyond the ability of society to absorb, manage, and recover from it.
Too long didn’t read, the world is burning though so consider that
Plenty of people dont own a car. Just dont own one. Its easy
Plenty of people dont own a car. Just dont own one. Its easy
Plenty of people dont own a car. Just dont own one. Its easy
Plenty of people dont own a car. Just dont own one. Its easy
Plenty of people dont own a car. Just dont own one. Its easy
hey your connection hiccupped; you might wanna clean that up.
This autonomous “murderbot” is way less likely to injure or kill someone than a vehicle operated by a human.
Maybe one day, but they aren’t safer yet. In fact they aren’t even driverless yet, but somehow they’re immune to prosecution nonetheless. IMO they’re tech bubble nonsense, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they disappear soon, now that the cheap money party is over.
Cruise’s October accident in San Francisco—in which the company was accused of “telling a half truth” regarding its responsibility—prompted investigations into the company and its response and led to the California Department of Motor Vehicles suspending its license to operate in the state.
The Cruise autos are definitely garbage and dangerous at the moment, but what about Waymos, like the one that was burnt down?
Waymos are also pretty dangerous.
All driverless cars are more dangerous than a human right now. These companies are beta testing their garbage on live streets.
You can’t take one accident and use that to generalize.
You need to take into account all accidents and see how worse humans are.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/human-drivers-crash-a-lot-more-than-waymos-software-data-shows/
Cars are naturally dangerous. A robot car is going to have deaths no matter what. That does not mean they are bad if they mean a reduction of cars and accidents. Taxis if done properly can help a public transport system.
Most automated driving companies chose fair weather cities for their tests for a reason. Sure, if you include all human drivers driving in a blizzard at night on a curvy mountain road you get more crashes than AI drivers on sunny, bright days on wide, open city streets but that is not a fair comparison.
I don’t agree. Curvy roads are dangerous, but there are much more conflicts in cities. You’re not going to have many pedestrians in curvy mountain roads.
That said, you are right that the ideal comparison would be int the same city. But I’m not sure that the data exists, I’ll have to look this afternoon.
That said, even if my data is not perfect, it’s much better than taking one accident and saying that self driving cars are dangerous. They are not going to be magically better than humans, after all driving is a difficult task, but we should at least crunch the numbers before dismissing them.
I am not pro car, I am very much pro AI though
At one point, calculators were worse than humans at the same job. All it took was time and money and now I think everyone can agree we’re better off not having to wait 20+ minutes to get a quadratic equation solved.
How is solving a quadratic equation, whose analytical solution is known, equal to driving?
Of course they’re not using AI to solve quadratics, it’s part of the calculator analogy. It’s a whole lot quicker to solve a quadratic formula in a calculator than by hand.
No, I use a calculator. My point was that technologies that suck now get better as they age.
It mostly sucks ungodly amounts of electricity for a mediocre result. And I don’t think the energy consumed for things like driving a two ton vehicle around, when people can take a bus or a train, is worth it.
It doesn’t take 20 minutes to solve a quadratic equation by hand unless you’re doing it for the first time.
Trains now are already much less lethal than cars. If safety is truly important for you, you would advocate for trains. You ain’t fooling anyone mate.
I wasn’t arguing against public transit. I either bike or use buses or the subway when I can. In cases where I’m going somewhere that has poor or no service by public transit, I need to use an Uber or now Waymo. I’ve been in both and the Waymo feels much safer than the vast majority of Uber drivers.
You know the problem already: poor coverage of public transit. Why not advocate for that? It’s much safer than any cars, and we have the tech right now. We can stop killing people right now.
