Here I am waiting for the big p2p update as well. I really like the direction Matrix is going. Moderation still needs a lot of work in the short term though, as it’s a pretty big issue currently. Moderation is also extra challenging given it’s decentralized as well.
I actually think it’s handled very well
If you’ve been on Matrix long enough, you’ll see rooms get mercilessly raided. Often multiple rooms at once. It’s a very common complaint amongst admins.
What I find convenient about admining a room is that you can easily block users and then automatically delete their message history as well, so since you can undo whatever they do, even if they are able to join and succeed temporarily, in the long term their efforts amount to nothing.
You also have fine-grained control over permissions so you can even make it like IRC or XMPP where rooms with severe moderation problems can be made so the default role when a user joins does not allow them to send messages until you give them voice, so to speak.
I wonder how much this will affect the Element client. It’s been very slow whenever I’ve used it
It will affect the client. The Rust-SDK, the Sliding Sync, and the progressive loading will all improve it.
nice
The client has definitely started chugging even on flagship phones.
And here I recently nuked my personal synapse server because it was too bloated and switched to dendrite. I didn’t know matrix 2.0 would be this awesome
Gotta go fast
This is not really helpful considering the flagship client is Element, which runs on electron. It’s a huge bottleneck.
I agree that Electron is a bottleneck. That’s something they’ll have to deal with. However, there’s a small difference between what this post is saying and what you’re saying: “24x - 1400x fafster depending on what you’re measuring” is quite different to “[the changes are] not really helpful”. Regardless, I’m glad to see that they’re embracing Rust in some way, distancing themselves from javascript. I hope the SDK will be good enough for a bustling ecosystem of efficient clients (and servers!). I’m also glad that people like you and I are making it clear that we value the reduction of sludge, we value efficiency and therefore inclusion for everyone, including those who have devices that aren’t that powerful.
isn’t their server a huge mess as well? Being very resource hungry and all?
But I thought they were reimplementing the server in Go with Dendrite?
Rust in the title probably refers to the section where they talk about integrating matrix-rust-sdk into Element.
Yeah, this just looks like optimizations to the Python codebase. Surprise surprise, Python is perfectly capable of large gains, at least up to a point. Of course, it’s still not going to be on the same level as Rust or Go.
Dendrite is listed in the post - https://matrix.org/blog/2022/08/15/the-matrix-summer-special-2022#dendrite--p2p
Dendrite plays an important role in our future strategy as it is also the homeserver implementation used for embedded homeservers, P2P development and experimentation. In addition to being able to scale up, we have also successfully scaled down, with the Element P2P demos proving that an embedded Dendrite homeserver can run comfortably on an iOS or Android device.
I didn’t realize that Dendrite was planned to be used for P2P. I thought it was just another option you had to host a homeserver. That makes this a bit more exciting.
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When will they release the sliding sync? I also want p2p
