I never shut down or restart my computer. Then some mornings I find that Windows decided to automatically restart my computer anyway. I lost a lot of unsaved notes that way.
To be fair, it would also be highly distruptive if you let the computer run overnight to finish some long running job and Windows decides it’s rebootin’ time. The point is: the OS shouldn’t decide for you to reboot.
but the option to choose a new time was greyed out
Which only ever happened for me if I had already pushed back an update multiple times. Which then means they had all the time in the world to make sure they do the update before they start such a critical, multiple days long process. These are people without forced update they would never make updates and they are the reason forced updates have to happen now.
It wasnt an issue until windows 10 though. It feels like computers are a bit worse now, imo. For some reason, it’s now popular opinion that it’s unsafe to run a computer as long as you like. It’s one of the main reasons I’ll move to Linux… some day
Linux servers often run for years before having to shut down. Linux can also update without restarting (except kernel updates), if you so wish. Needing to restart frequently is a Windows problem.
… why exactly are you leaving unsaved work open on your PC and expecting it to be there the next day? And it seems it’s intentional? Think of all the things that could lose the work apart from an update. A power outage, a brownout, a failed PC component; memory corruption, and more.
It’s was just notes, not work work (that’s all in the cloud). And yes,I expect things to be there the next day, it’s been decades since I was working on a 2x86 with a bad hard drive that froze ar random intervals, so I had to save every few seconds. I do save even my random notes now, just in case, but if they get closes I will probably forget about them because the whole point is to have them on screen as reminders.
It’s weird how being forced to restart your computer by the OS is obviously a new feature yet people defend it so religiously.
I don’t understand why people care so much? It’s like people that don’t want to keep their PCs running always feel better about themselves for using their PC the way the OS forces them to?
I miss the days of if you don’t have something nice to say just stfu. Now, it’s if you don’t say anything to put them down, how will you feel better about yourself?
Eh… This was more of a comment on “why aren’t you saving your work” which has been a push point since the dawn of computers.
That said, forced updates and restarts aren’t a bad thing. They should be defended to an extent. You don’t remember the days of virtually every consumer PC being months behind on security updates? Viruses running rampant?
The feature can be bypassed by the users who actually care. Yes, with “a lot of” work to intentionally prevent non-power users from just flipping the bit and going back to a world of un-updated boxes of vulnerability.
Idk, I think it’s worse and I care very little about the people you’re describing. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to turn off the ability for Microsoft to turn off your computer whenever they like.
I never had an issue leaving my PC running or in sleep mode for weeks - I used to pause a game, put it in sleep and then resume it on wake, no problem. Now it’s basically impossible to control when it turns off. That said, I’ll admit I recently realized I actually had enterprise windows instead of pro so maybe that was why I was never able to get it working despite hours of trying.
Does iOS force updates? How do they do it? Surely the average Mac user understands less about updates and whatnot. I mean, if they had ever (obviously they never will) just let people install iOS on their own hardware I’d have left Windows a very long time ago. I plan on moving to Linux one day though I’ve realized that’s going to be a monumental task on its own.
I’ve got my own issues and all but windows absolutely infuriates me nowadays. I wish nothing but the worst for it. I kind of want them to do what reddit did and force me to leave
The people aren’t the only reason, apart from their direct damages. There’s also the fact that rampant viruses literally drain the community they are in, and are a harm to the online community as well.
Few of the people we are talking about understand computers, meaning they need to have someone else deal with it, or continue to be compromised. Banking info being stolen means more work for the fraud department of the bank, and the police, potentially even the FBI if the issue is large enough.
And rampant viruses mean larger botnets, more computation being leeched causing more electricity usage. More online disruptions of services, and more general spam from compromised accounts trying to spread the infection.
As for iOS, yes and no, and a clarification point. Yes, it attempts to force updates through deceptive means to get the users consent to install at some random point “tonight” which cannot be scheduled. You can turn this off, though there are many reports of this being reversed for some unknown reason. They’ve also moved to force installing security patches without consent, even if you disable the auto update.
The clarification point, is that iPhones are some of the most locked down devices out there. Even if you manage to get an infection, the majority of the time it’s only able to work within the normal sandbox. On top of that, iOS is one of the “most updated” OSs out there. Apart from the users trying to preserve versions for jailbreaking and related tools, or devices enrolled in certain enterprise situations, you’d be hard pressed to find someone on an old version even a week after a new release.
I’m sorry that you’ve lost so much work. Although it’s kind of irresponsible to leave unsaved work open overnight. Perhaps you could look into applications that have an autosave feature? Alternativly if your workflow permits it do your work on the cloud?
I do my actual work in the cloud. But when I want to just jut down quick notes I open a Notepad window and write them there. Usually it’s something I need to remember for just a few hours later. Sometimes it’s something I’ll be expanding on somewhere permanent later on. It’s just the most handy place to write something down quickly. Sometimes I have one such window open, sometimes I end up with 6. I just so happened that night I had some more important notes that I didn’t transfer yet. I’ve got into the habit of saving them now just in case, so I have tons of small text files that I’ll probably forget about.
Because we’re not looking to change our behavior we’re criticizing the decisions made by those that own the OS.
To me, the response comes off as completely missing the point, likely intentionally, and blatantly ignoring the meaning of the person they’re responding to.
It’s like saying, I wish my favorite show wasn’t cancelled and someone replying with why don’t you just have a different favorite show?
I never shut down or restart my computer. Then some mornings I find that Windows decided to automatically restart my computer anyway. I lost a lot of unsaved notes that way.
That’s a you problem. Don’t blame windows for shitty practices.
To be fair, it would also be highly distruptive if you let the computer run overnight to finish some long running job and Windows decides it’s rebootin’ time. The point is: the OS shouldn’t decide for you to reboot.
Windows doesn’t reboot when things are running.
Microsoft wouldn’t have to force reboots if there weren’t people like lunarul who keep their computer running perpetually.
Plenty of reports to the contrary
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/47biyb/windows_10_restarted_while_i_was_in_the_middle_of/
From your link:
Which only ever happened for me if I had already pushed back an update multiple times. Which then means they had all the time in the world to make sure they do the update before they start such a critical, multiple days long process. These are people without forced update they would never make updates and they are the reason forced updates have to happen now.
Like using Windows
Ackshually you still can blame Windows for not supporting live updates.
It wasnt an issue until windows 10 though. It feels like computers are a bit worse now, imo. For some reason, it’s now popular opinion that it’s unsafe to run a computer as long as you like. It’s one of the main reasons I’ll move to Linux… some day
Not rebooting once in a while giving problems has been a thing since computers started using software.
Linux servers often run for years before having to shut down. Linux can also update without restarting (except kernel updates), if you so wish. Needing to restart frequently is a Windows problem.
I understand that, but I consider a forced restart a much bigger problem. You’re more than welcome to disagree
… why exactly are you leaving unsaved work open on your PC and expecting it to be there the next day? And it seems it’s intentional? Think of all the things that could lose the work apart from an update. A power outage, a brownout, a failed PC component; memory corruption, and more.
It’s was just notes, not work work (that’s all in the cloud). And yes,I expect things to be there the next day, it’s been decades since I was working on a 2x86 with a bad hard drive that froze ar random intervals, so I had to save every few seconds. I do save even my random notes now, just in case, but if they get closes I will probably forget about them because the whole point is to have them on screen as reminders.
It’s weird how being forced to restart your computer by the OS is obviously a new feature yet people defend it so religiously.
I don’t understand why people care so much? It’s like people that don’t want to keep their PCs running always feel better about themselves for using their PC the way the OS forces them to?
I miss the days of if you don’t have something nice to say just stfu. Now, it’s if you don’t say anything to put them down, how will you feel better about yourself?
Eh… This was more of a comment on “why aren’t you saving your work” which has been a push point since the dawn of computers.
That said, forced updates and restarts aren’t a bad thing. They should be defended to an extent. You don’t remember the days of virtually every consumer PC being months behind on security updates? Viruses running rampant?
The feature can be bypassed by the users who actually care. Yes, with “a lot of” work to intentionally prevent non-power users from just flipping the bit and going back to a world of un-updated boxes of vulnerability.
Idk, I think it’s worse and I care very little about the people you’re describing. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to turn off the ability for Microsoft to turn off your computer whenever they like.
I never had an issue leaving my PC running or in sleep mode for weeks - I used to pause a game, put it in sleep and then resume it on wake, no problem. Now it’s basically impossible to control when it turns off. That said, I’ll admit I recently realized I actually had enterprise windows instead of pro so maybe that was why I was never able to get it working despite hours of trying.
Does iOS force updates? How do they do it? Surely the average Mac user understands less about updates and whatnot. I mean, if they had ever (obviously they never will) just let people install iOS on their own hardware I’d have left Windows a very long time ago. I plan on moving to Linux one day though I’ve realized that’s going to be a monumental task on its own.
I’ve got my own issues and all but windows absolutely infuriates me nowadays. I wish nothing but the worst for it. I kind of want them to do what reddit did and force me to leave
The people aren’t the only reason, apart from their direct damages. There’s also the fact that rampant viruses literally drain the community they are in, and are a harm to the online community as well.
Few of the people we are talking about understand computers, meaning they need to have someone else deal with it, or continue to be compromised. Banking info being stolen means more work for the fraud department of the bank, and the police, potentially even the FBI if the issue is large enough.
And rampant viruses mean larger botnets, more computation being leeched causing more electricity usage. More online disruptions of services, and more general spam from compromised accounts trying to spread the infection.
As for iOS, yes and no, and a clarification point. Yes, it attempts to force updates through deceptive means to get the users consent to install at some random point “tonight” which cannot be scheduled. You can turn this off, though there are many reports of this being reversed for some unknown reason. They’ve also moved to force installing security patches without consent, even if you disable the auto update.
The clarification point, is that iPhones are some of the most locked down devices out there. Even if you manage to get an infection, the majority of the time it’s only able to work within the normal sandbox. On top of that, iOS is one of the “most updated” OSs out there. Apart from the users trying to preserve versions for jailbreaking and related tools, or devices enrolled in certain enterprise situations, you’d be hard pressed to find someone on an old version even a week after a new release.
I’m sorry that you’ve lost so much work. Although it’s kind of irresponsible to leave unsaved work open overnight. Perhaps you could look into applications that have an autosave feature? Alternativly if your workflow permits it do your work on the cloud?
I do my actual work in the cloud. But when I want to just jut down quick notes I open a Notepad window and write them there. Usually it’s something I need to remember for just a few hours later. Sometimes it’s something I’ll be expanding on somewhere permanent later on. It’s just the most handy place to write something down quickly. Sometimes I have one such window open, sometimes I end up with 6. I just so happened that night I had some more important notes that I didn’t transfer yet. I’ve got into the habit of saving them now just in case, so I have tons of small text files that I’ll probably forget about.
Why are people down voting you
Because we’re not looking to change our behavior we’re criticizing the decisions made by those that own the OS.
To me, the response comes off as completely missing the point, likely intentionally, and blatantly ignoring the meaning of the person they’re responding to.
It’s like saying, I wish my favorite show wasn’t cancelled and someone replying with why don’t you just have a different favorite show?
Do we not turn off our electronic devices to save electricity?
Do we not use our PC as a heater to kill two birds with one stone?
You are the reason Microsoft has to force computers to restart for the rest of us.
Reboot once in a while, you are to blame for your lost unsaved data.
I’m the reason Microsoft never learned how to do updates without restarting?
Not a single OS is capable of updating everything without restarting.
Yes, even Linux.
There are also plenty of Windows updates that don’t need rebooting.