Some people can’t just have a normal opinion without attaching some guilt factor in case you disagree. That hexbear “discourse” is just a really childish way to say “I want my AI art and the haters make me angry” with added pretension to make it sound like an important social issue. Internet brain poisoning and thinking you need to hold a Platform all the time will do that.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Conceptually, I think it was the more interesting problem, but I don’t think it would be worth discussing with you because you didn’t want to discuss things from that angle and there’s no sense in pressing the matter.
Insofar as I was hung up on the other aspect, I think it was me be careful about what I knew I could claim because I am not, in fact, ableist.
Conceptually, I think it was the more interesting problem, but I don’t think it would be worth discussing with you because you didn’t want to discuss things from that angle and there’s no sense in pressing the matter.
Gaslight me more crybully. Tell me how my neurodiversity is both
not disabled enough for you
I’m pessimistic about the realistic viability of painting if you’re, like, born blind, but Christ, dude, come on.
but how parts of it might be “conceptualy interesting” but not to actually discuss with someone with lived experience.
Obviously this is one of those “disagreeing with me is gaslightinging” things, but I don’t get where the “crybully” thing came from. I’m not a victim of shit, I think your dismissiveness is unfortunate, but I’m not crying over it.
That said, I should have been more careful in my wording, because I was meaning to contrast “painting while blind” with “bodies having widths while you can’t mentally picture them”. I will repeat that you seem to not understand how NT people draw, which is unfortunate for how it makes the question of how you can succeed in drawing much harder to conceptualize.
I will repeat that you seem to not understand how NT people draw, which is unfortunate for how it makes the question of how you can succeed in drawing much harder to conceptualize.
This sort of patronizing tone is gaslighting. You have already made it abundantly clear you care nothing for me as an individual. So why would you say things like “unfortunate” like you pity me? Its blatantly facetious and meant to deceive me into thinking you aren’t being an asshole.
Your original comment was trying to blame a marginalized person for being offended by your ableism that’s being a cry bully.
So why would you say things like “unfortunate” like you pity me?
You don’t understand the framing, which is that for a certain cause or goal, an impeding or confounding factor is “unfortunate” for the goal, the goal here being something like “determining how you could hypothetically succeed in drawing”. I don’t especially care about you, but this doesn’t hinge on me being personally invested in you, I’m just speaking in terms of stipulated aims.
Personally, you might forget this but I’m a communist and so I generally do want to see people succeed, and I do think that your lack of understanding about NT art is harming you and that that’s a bad thing, but obviously I know I’m not going to get anywhere with you trying to talk on that level, so I don’t bother.
Your original comment was trying to blame a marginalized person for being offended by your ableism that’s being a cry bully.
“Crybully” does not mean “thinks your line of taking offense is bullshit,” there is necessarily some element of reversing the direction of victimization. I do not claim that you are victimizing me or attempting to on any level.
All of this is obviously a deflection from the fact that you are simply wrong in the assertion that someone who can’t produce mental images can only draw stick figures. If you actually care about this subject, I strongly encourage you to learn how to sketch scaffolding just like other art students do to get proportions correct. If you can use a compass and a ruler to draw a pentagram (and a protractor if you really like), you can do that. I’ve linked many testimonies from people with aphantasia that are the basis for much stronger claims, but I’m not interested in making those, I’m basically just arguing this because I find it frustrating when people assert conclusions that don’t follow from the premises they lay out, and fundamentally nothing that you have said prevents you from sketching scaffolding for drawings.
which is that for a certain cause or goal, an impeding or confounding factor is “unfortunate”
Personally, you might forget this but I’m a communist
Its hard to remember you are supposedly a comrade when you keep talking down to me like I am stupid because I am Neurodivergent and keep downplaying my lived experiences. If someone says something you have said is racist, you stop, apologize, and ask for clarification if you need it. You do not defend what you said because there is a good chance you are defending racism. If someone says you are being homo/queer/transphobic the same rules apply. Why do you refuse to do self crit on ableism? Maybe I forget that you are supposedly a communist because you are doing your damnedest to prove you are the 11th type of liberal.
Some people can’t just have a normal opinion without attaching some guilt factor in case you disagree. That hexbear “discourse” is just a really childish way to say “I want my AI art and the haters make me angry” with added pretension to make it sound like an important social issue. Internet brain poisoning and thinking you need to hold a Platform all the time will do that.
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Then why didn’t you ask about it? You were the one who was hung up on the athanasia and you are still being ablist about it.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. Conceptually, I think it was the more interesting problem, but I don’t think it would be worth discussing with you because you didn’t want to discuss things from that angle and there’s no sense in pressing the matter.
Insofar as I was hung up on the other aspect, I think it was me be careful about what I knew I could claim because I am not, in fact, ableist.
Gaslight me more crybully. Tell me how my neurodiversity is both
not disabled enough for you
I’m pessimistic about the realistic viability of painting if you’re, like, born blind, but Christ, dude, come on.
but how parts of it might be “conceptualy interesting” but not to actually discuss with someone with lived experience.
Obviously this is one of those “disagreeing with me is gaslightinging” things, but I don’t get where the “crybully” thing came from. I’m not a victim of shit, I think your dismissiveness is unfortunate, but I’m not crying over it.
That said, I should have been more careful in my wording, because I was meaning to contrast “painting while blind” with “bodies having widths while you can’t mentally picture them”. I will repeat that you seem to not understand how NT people draw, which is unfortunate for how it makes the question of how you can succeed in drawing much harder to conceptualize.
Remember that one time I said I liked your post despite not liking you?
This is why I don’t like you.
This sort of patronizing tone is gaslighting. You have already made it abundantly clear you care nothing for me as an individual. So why would you say things like “unfortunate” like you pity me? Its blatantly facetious and meant to deceive me into thinking you aren’t being an asshole.
Your original comment was trying to blame a marginalized person for being offended by your ableism that’s being a cry bully.
You don’t understand the framing, which is that for a certain cause or goal, an impeding or confounding factor is “unfortunate” for the goal, the goal here being something like “determining how you could hypothetically succeed in drawing”. I don’t especially care about you, but this doesn’t hinge on me being personally invested in you, I’m just speaking in terms of stipulated aims.
Personally, you might forget this but I’m a communist and so I generally do want to see people succeed, and I do think that your lack of understanding about NT art is harming you and that that’s a bad thing, but obviously I know I’m not going to get anywhere with you trying to talk on that level, so I don’t bother.
“Crybully” does not mean “thinks your line of taking offense is bullshit,” there is necessarily some element of reversing the direction of victimization. I do not claim that you are victimizing me or attempting to on any level.
All of this is obviously a deflection from the fact that you are simply wrong in the assertion that someone who can’t produce mental images can only draw stick figures. If you actually care about this subject, I strongly encourage you to learn how to sketch scaffolding just like other art students do to get proportions correct. If you can use a compass and a ruler to draw a pentagram (and a protractor if you really like), you can do that. I’ve linked many testimonies from people with aphantasia that are the basis for much stronger claims, but I’m not interested in making those, I’m basically just arguing this because I find it frustrating when people assert conclusions that don’t follow from the premises they lay out, and fundamentally nothing that you have said prevents you from sketching scaffolding for drawings.
More patronizing and talking down.
Its hard to remember you are supposedly a comrade when you keep talking down to me like I am stupid because I am Neurodivergent and keep downplaying my lived experiences. If someone says something you have said is racist, you stop, apologize, and ask for clarification if you need it. You do not defend what you said because there is a good chance you are defending racism. If someone says you are being homo/queer/transphobic the same rules apply. Why do you refuse to do self crit on ableism? Maybe I forget that you are supposedly a communist because you are doing your damnedest to prove you are the 11th type of liberal.