How do notifications work in the official Telegram Android app (Play Store vs Site version maybe)? Does it have the same mechanism as Signal, which only recognizes the presence of notifications via Google services, but sends them via its web socket service?
Telegram uses Google services like Signal for notifications - https://telegra.ph/Notifications-FIX its the first point under the Android section
https://core.telegram.org/api/push-updates these are the docs for building your own Telegram app, specifically the push notifications section and again it mentions using APNS for iOS or FCM for Android but they also offer Simple push which would work with Unifiedpush and would be one way to bypass FCM but I don’t know if they offer that in their official app or if there are any other Telegram apps that have implemented it
“Signal only uses FCM to wake up the Android app if there are new messages waiting on the Signal server and the app isn’t connected to it. Signal does not include any information in these notifications, encrypted or otherwise, so Google can only infer that your device has something queued on Signal’s servers.” I was wondering if a similar system has been implemented in telegram?
It’s still metadata, ditch google play services all at once
Too radical a solution for me, I used microG for a long time, but the notification problems made me go back to Google services. i’ve banned them from accessing camera/microphone/geolocation via App Ops (put them on ignore mode), so I’m pretty calm. but notifications are still a problem).
They are priv apps, I believe it’s the same as root
Most of the privacy apps don’t require you to have gapps and their notifications
No, they don’t have the same privileges as root permissions. this is easily demonstrated by the camera app built into LineageOS when you enable ignore mode for camera in App Ops and it crashes. and google services also start making very untypical requests for access to stuff.
Yes, but there aren’t many apps that respect privacy on my phone compared to the usual ones).
Ok, I didn’t know, it’s just usually I see some notifications like “priv app is the same as root, be careful”. Thank you
About the apps, I recommend switching, it’s not as scary as I sounds, most of the apps have an alternative or sth like that
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The Telegram client available on F-droid does not use FCM for push notifications.
I’ve noticed notifications are working sporadically now for quite some time (at least half a year now) for both Android (both Play store version and APK) and iOS from my experience. Only on the deskptop version of it are notifications instant, hope they will fix it at some point
I had this when I used microG, it started in the last month, official google services are fine so far)
Damn, didn’t occur to me at all, I do use MicroG, but that still doesn’t explain late notifications on the iPhone. This is going on for quite some time, friends also report the same issues regardless of plaform
definetly bruh situation
Signal does not use google if it is not available, so no. If you think about privacy, stop using apps like Telegram and please stop using google services
I still want to communicate with normal, normal people, play normal games. i don’t want to put myself in complete isolation from the world, so i can’t throw away google services yet).
Normal people do care about their privacy, they just don’t know enough about tech to understand what services to use—which is why they trust the surface level privacy marketing from Apple. But if you are someone that does understand the tech, then you should feel empowered to help these folks out on their messaging front. If you host it & give them accounts, many come. You could set up an XMPP server for messaging & a Mumble server for voice coms & folks will be happy to chat with you regardless. My longer-term experience is folks are happy wdth how much lighter weight these 10±year-old technologies are that they start to prefer it.
Youd be surprised how little its actually needed. I’ve been free for about a year now, some games complain about not having it but then work anyway.
I’ve been using microG for about a year, but there have been problems here and there with games and apps. and accordingly, I realize how many apps need Google services (especially notifications). so for now, through Root rights and App Ops, I’ve just restricted Google services access to the camera/microphone etc. this is an acceptable compromise for me.
i assume that the official telegram client uses FCM. but the Telegram FOSS client on Fdroid and its forks use a background service.
I’m thinking the same way for now, hopefully I’ll be reassured)
