in no particular order:
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- There’s a scene from Tintin in America that’s burnt into my brain of Native Americans being forced off their land by the US Army after oil is found on their land. This movie, however, is a neat reminder that the guns and bayonets were just a few of the tools employed during USA’s project of extermination. Every single White institution was complicit in the destruction of the natives even when they seemed to be fair and benign (especially when they seem to be fair and benign).
- Why the hell haven’t I seen more of Lily Gladstone? Just a phenomenal actress. Her portrayal of someone under constant siege with seemingly no way out evoked a sense of claustrophobia reminiscent of Get Out. Its elevated by the cinematography that just drives home the othering experienced by natives on their own land. Some of the shots of settlers glaring at the Indians reminded me of Lovecraft’s description of Innsmouth’s denizens.
- I was really afraid that it was gonna turn into a White Savior movie at some point, but it was thankfully undercut by Caprio’s character being such a dense sleazebag (seriously, his scummiest character since Monsieur Candy). Nearly all the White characters are scum which is certainly an interesting choice considering the state of media in the USA.
- There is largely no comeuppance for the crimes committed by the Whites. Indeed, against the scope of their crimes, their punishment was even lesser than a slap on the wrist. While this is in keeping with the history of the incident, it did leave quite the sour taste in my mouth. There is also a larger focus on the moral character of the Hales (who are, weirdly, both Freemasons and “greedy Jews”) with the institutional nature of the crimes showing up in just a few scenes and snippets of exposition. Towards the third act, it ends up feeling like a run-of-the-mill Scorsese crime flick, and I was beginning to feel if he really was the right creative mind to tackle such a subject.
- Somebody get Marty an editor, for the love of god
- I’m starting to understand why so many American horror films reference Indian burial grounds- seems to me it’s just some weird expression of generational guilt
Go watch it folks, it’s not a winner on all fronts but definitely a breath of fresh air. As a descendant of a colonized population myself, the film’s gruesome depiction of the mistreatment of Native Americans did leave me feeling a little sick, so I think I’m going to re-watch Prey to cleanse my palette a bit.
IMO it was unbelievably good and singlehandedly restored my interest in watching movies. I might watch 12 or so movies a year and honestly thought that form of media was on the way out for me. But after watching this film I walked home with this horrible clenched feeling in my chest. To see love & marriage turned to another tool of colonialism, how unbelievably undermined & compromised Gladstone’s character was without her really realizing it - I just kept turning the whole movie over in my head as I walked home. Teared up. Movies really can take you places emotionally that games & books just can’t, or haven’t yet for me at least.
Also y’all will get a kick out of this (doxing myself partially but whatever I delete these accounts like once every couple months): I watched this film with my friend who’s indigenous Hawaiian and I’m a white dude married to a person of color. The entire film had a lot of moments that really made me feel like that garfield-looking-at-sign “huh I wonder who that’s for” meme lmao. Very uncomfortable. But honestly transformative. Go see it, really. People say Scorsese needs an editor but I wouldn’t have changed a minute of it. Maybe an intermission would have been nice.
Wasn’t nearly as life-changing for me, but I too felt deeply disoriented by the all-pervasive nature of colonialism…
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No spoilers please, I started watching it last week and I only have a few hundred hours left to go on it.
It was generally well made, I just wanted it to be 30-60minutes shorter (or at least havs a 5minute break)… Sitting 3.5 hours watching a moderate to slow paced movie can be tiresome after 2.5hours (that’s about when some people even started leaving the cinema).
This is the main reason I’ll wait for it to come to streaming services. I stopped and started The Irishman at least 5 times. I have no patience for incredibly long movies. Scorsese needs to make limited series stories so he can pour 10 hours into a movie that gets broken up and consumed in bite sized chunks as opposed to a long ass movie that has no intermission (also, the studio has been harassing theaters that added one)
I mostly concur. I do want to mention, though, that apart from some of the dialogue-heavy portions towards the beginning, the editing was dynamic enough to hold my attention all the way to the end.
People defend the runtime “because it’s Scorsese” or whatever but I’ve seen a lot of his 3+ hour movies and they’re always too long. I might make an exception for Wolf of Wall Street because it’s just barely 3 hours but it works because it’s a more exciting, high-energy movie.
Is there any sv in this movie? I’ve been considering watching it
I’ve checked a few websites for cw’s and it doesn’t seem like it? I might end up watching it tomorrow and giving my quick take on it then.
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I thought it was pretty bad and reinforces some pretty terrible ideology about the FBI. I listed all my hot takes in this thread
Oh yeah, it definitely does that. Whitewashes one of the most irredeemable eras of the feds.
Yeah I mean I think it’s pretty insidious that way. I think the film needs to be viewed within the context of the zeitgeist if liberal recuperation of the FBI in the context of Trump investigations. Here the FBI is presented as a kind heroic liberatory (white saviour) force that defends the Osage from white terror. We may be left with the conclusion that it might be problematic to not support the FBI.
Furthermore it appeals to white liberal self-flagellation fetish where indigenous people are all dignified and white people are all scuzzy(which is fine/good), but there is little critique within the film of the material basis for this: Osage aren’t dignified because of their inherent right to be respected, but because they are rich and can afford all the treats of rich people and are isolated from the constant terror of needing to hustle to survive. I think this reinforces the idea that the people we should view as “good” in our society are people who can afford nice things, and we should look with suspicion at poor people who don’t have that access to security.
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