Terminal stage treatbrain: “Anyone that ever, ever makes me feel bad about anything done by my predecessors is actually a bad person. I am the Main Character. Me.” grillman

Are these bazinga nazis doing things that much better in the present, or are they seeking to “coup whoever they want, deal with it” as usual? three-heads-thinking

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    I do think that commenter absorbed some bad framing they should re-examine, but they are raising a real issue. I think you’re assuming some bad faith that isn’t there.

    All this hand wringing on the right about “society failing young men” or whatever is partially true, not because MEN are suffering in particular, but because everyone is suffering, and men experience that suffering through a masculine framing and masculine expectations.

    None of this is that novel, we all know men are told to get a tough manly job, buy a suburban house, are told to relate to their family primarily as a provider and protector, and on and on. None of that really makes any sense anymore, but it’s mostly caused by changing economic forces instead of the changing social attitudes that happened at the same time. We all know this, but we’re not good at explaining it. (To be fair, a lot of people don’t want to hear it.)

    If our only response is basically “fuck all that, things sucked back then” we’re not addressing the real problem. People kinda know that, people at the time certainly knew that, but at least they were miserable in houses they actually owned.

    I know I’m not coming up with anything novel here, but I think it’s better to reflect on our approach and refine our thoughts on the issue rather than pounce on people who raise the topic.

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      I think you’re assuming some bad faith that isn’t there.

      Is it really bad faith when the source of that reply was clown-to-clown-communication clown-to-clown-conversation between a cryptobro and a billionaire apartheid prince?

      It’s like when up-yours-woke-moralists claimed that the answer to school shootings should be to provide government issued “girlfriends” to potential school shooters. I can and have mocked that perspective and it wasn’t automatically “bad faith” dismissal about some boys being sexually frustrated. The source of the take was radioactive, and saying “actually there is still a problem what do we do” implies that the radioactive source had some valid solution to begin with. It didn’t.

      Since you accused me of “bad faith,” what solution is implied, let alone suggested, from the cryptobro or the apartheid prince in this discussion?

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          I said that the apparent source of their concern (and the context of bringing it up in this thread) was questionable.

          Like the “government issued waifus for potential school shooters” up-yours-woke-moralists example I already provided, saying “the fascists have a point here, actually” contaminates whatever point could otherwise have otherwise been made in another thread, because the implication is that the fascists had a valid proposal to begin with regarding whatever the issue was.

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            I think there’s a difference between “the fascists have a point here, actually” and “the fascists are discussing people’s actual concerns and experiences.” Taking real concerns and proposing cruel non-solutions is kind of their whole deal obviously

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              Nothing was proposed as far as I could tell, by that poster or for that matter the two fascists tweeting back and forth, except maybe “the children of white people should not know about what their ancestors did” which is pretty sus.