Looking forward to some great insights from the Ayn Rand Institute

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    If they really want to commit to being the Ayn Rand institute, they should use Ayn Rand’s argument for why Native Americans didn’t have the rights to their land

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      I “like” the text of that speech because it just nakedly shows how much a monster Rand was and the natural conclusion of her “philosophy”. Showed it to a Rand stan I know and she never responded to it.

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        " [Native Americans] didn’t have any rights to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using. What was it that they were fighting for, when they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their ‘right’ to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, but just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or a few caves above it. Any white person who brings the element of civilization has the right to take over this continent." - Ayn Rand, West Point lecture 1974

        To be clear, Indigenous peoples did have property rights in their own legal codes and did work the land, so she’s even wrong on the basics here, and even if they didn’t would not justify genocide.

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          “The memorandum noted that the Arabs had done nothing for centuries to develop the land and thus had forfeited their rights to the Jews, who, with their skill, energy and resources, had already demonstrated their capacity for developing Palestine and making it prosper. Moreover, it was asserted that the Arabs of Palestine were not ready for self-government in view of widespread illiteracy and lack of education. German interests and aims in Palestine were defined as primarily economic in nature; the Jews, not the Arabs, were considered most capable of creating conditions in Palestine conducive to those interests and aims.”

          many such cases

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          Whenever Gil Scott-Heron’s “Whitey On The Moon” poem was posted on Youtube, there was a very good chance in the comments that some cryptofascist would declare that black people would “still be living in mud huts” if they hadn’t received the blessing of enslavement and tied that to more recent history as a wailing terror that magical space futures will be denied if social justice isn’t wiped out as a concept. mlk-yes porky-point

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          I’ve seen plenty of takes that are just this from zionists the last couple of weeks. It is just the same shit over and over with settler colonialists.

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          Even if they didn’t, that argument would only hold up until the very first treaty signed between colonizers and indigenous peoples. 99% of the story of colonization isn’t people showing up to uncontacted tribes, it’s settlers breaking their agreements with contacted ones.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Ayn Rand Institute

    The same monster that said millions of slaughtered First Nations peoples deserved to be slaughtered because they didn’t “own” the land in a proper way to begin with? US foreign policy

      • AnarchoCapitalism is a deeply unserious ideology with no historical basis and should be viewed as similarly ridiculous to AnarchoMonarchism. Fascist theory is famously incoherent nonsense, but at least there have been fascist movements in history. At least they exist.

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      How can an objectivist support the state forcibly moving people off the land people are entitled to, and worked for with the sweat of their brow?

      Ive always really hated libertarians, and double these people, because the libertarians i know would hate it.

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        How can an objectivist support the state forcibly moving people off the land people are entitled to, and worked for with the sweat of their brow?

        Even their founding monster said that forcibly moving people off the land and doing atrocities to them was cool and good because they weren’t using the land correctly and there was some veiled cryptofascist bits about mud huts there too. US foreign policy

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          I think that Ayn Rand didnt genuinely believe in her own ideas. So i view objectivists as either scammers or the victims of a scam. Its not like liberals where its wrong instead of being a scam.

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            I don’t think she thought her own ideas out thoroughly enough to actually acknowledge contradictions in them. She was mad about her faildaughter estate being taken away by the Bolsheviks and was fascinated by Hollywood glamour and everything else was “ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE” justified after the fact.

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              Idk how anyone can think history is determined by great individuals when evsn the moat impactful individuals like Alexander the Great wouldnt have existed if the price of lumber collapsed in his fathers reign.

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                It feeds selfish assholes’ sense of self importance. The messaging, the propaganda, is everywhere for Great Man Theory.

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    I’m curious what deluded bullshit this will be hoping to attract completely uneducated people, but I know I’ll get pissed off so I’ll stay away

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      “I know I’ll get pissed off, so I’ll stay away.”

      That is a daily experience for me, I’m already pissed off enough about many things to a point where it’s negatively affecting my mental health and life in general. I keep ignoring articles, videos, discussions, etc. that are both relevant and interesting to me, but I know I’ll just be angry at the end, so I ignore them or save them to read/watch later when I feel I can handle it. But things are being added to that list faster than I have moments and mental energy to go through them all, even when I consciously don’t save many of them.

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        They aren’t that important and if they are you’ll go through the effort to track them down again. Just a tip from a fellow digital hoarder!

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    Weird because a looong time ago when I was a libertarian nerd I was still pro-Palestine. Like, it’s a pretty straightforward thing even from a libertarian perspective.

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    They had to put DEBUNKED in bold red letters on the thumnail or else their viewers would plainly see Palestinian land being stripped away with each conflict.

    Barely cohesive propaganda.

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    Much like Gazan hospitals exploding, Israeli territorial expansion just happens spontaneously. Just because Palestinian land happens to contract at the same does not mean Israel is stealing land.