no that’s really silly the monsters in a movie can at once be metaphors and also literal monsters within the narrative in dracula the vampire both represents a horror from the old world come into the new and a scary dude that eats people
Guy looking at dracula: damn an empire teetering at the apex of its power is anxious about the horrors of colonialism being turned inward, and the hidden debauchery that undergirds a puritanical society!
The true point arcing above his head: damn eastern Europeans are weird
Yeah it follows has one theme executed poorly. It has one metaphor also executed poorly. Its a facil movie and a typical monster movie shot in a somewhat art house style. I really think its the style that makes people see a depth that is just not present.
no it doesn’t only have one theme we’re just only talking about one of the themes right now. Alcoholism and addiction are also themes of the movie for example
and your idea of the metaphor being executed poorly seems to be that the film also treats the in narrative real monster as a real monster as well as a metaphor
I suppose the Fly was just a dumb movie about a guy who got mixed up with a fly too, and didn’t symbolize any deeper themes of transformation, transhumanism, evolution, fear of sex, fear of birth and babies, death drive or anything further. Just a movie about a guy turning into a fly.
How do you enjoy art with this level of shallow incuriosity to the symbols, themes and context of said art? Especially horror, which is so interwoven with social commentary and social fears
The movie was bad. It is bad art. There is good art but it follows ain’t it. Not to mention it was produced in the pursuit of profit so it is also soulless as well as bad.
Just because you didn’t understand it doesn’t mean that its bad. Just because it wasn’t made for $20 by a bunch of film students doesn’t make it soulless. You not liking it is fine but you’re not the arbiter of taste
Let’s say it is about the consequences of sex. What are those exactly. Pregnancy, loss of financial opportunity, loss of autonomy, STDs, a lasting responsiblty , all of these things could have been explored in fun and intrestimg ways but, what did we get? A by the numbers monster movie with a somewhat novel twist. Like
Another of the consequences of sex for a young woman is that peoples attitudes about you may change, even people close to you. Most notably embodied by her simp friend who still wants to have sex with her and is jealous of those that do, despite knowing it means his death, and who is ultimately disillusioned when they do because its meaningless and perfunctory for both of them.
The movie chose to convey this in the form of an unstoppable monster that posseses people because its a monster movie. Again, you don’t have to like it. Not every movie appeals to every person but its not like we’re talking about Halloween 3 here. A lot of people like that movie for a reason
I would also say the “it” that follows, the monster, is an embodiment of contradictory social pressures that follows women in the contemporary world. The pressure by men to have sex (and the rewards that come when you give in to that pressure) vs. the opposing social force condemning you for being a sl*t, saying you are just sleeping your way up catching up to you. This is represented by the chain of sex, it both damns and then saves you. The first person you fuck damns you (you lose your virginity) and the second person you fuck saves you, but at the expense of you damning them. They become the “sl-t” that society chases instead, the lowest rung in the totem pole.
I think it’s a quite poignant and thoughtful criticism and exploration and has a lot more nuance than the user above gives credit for.
The movie chose to convey this in the form of an unstoppable monster that posseses people because its a monster movie.
The movie conveys this as events in the movie. The monster is independent of this and poorly represents or stands in for anything deeper than antagonist. The movie is fine I don’t dislike it but it is so overhyped.
Do you try to ban content you don’t understand? That’s the real rub here from the puritanicals in this thread, they don’t just want some help parsing difficult themes they want them gone
No it does not. It could be hamfisted into being an std but you can’t cure aids by setting up a zany swimming pool trap or fucking it away.
Its a dumb monster movie with sex sloppily laid on top. So sloppily that one could reasonably conclude it’s pointlessly gratuitous.
no that’s really silly the monsters in a movie can at once be metaphors and also literal monsters within the narrative in dracula the vampire both represents a horror from the old world come into the new and a scary dude that eats people
it’s called a story having themes
Someone who doesn’t recognize this has no business saying anything about horror art and what is good and what isn’t
Guy looking at dracula: damn an empire teetering at the apex of its power is anxious about the horrors of colonialism being turned inward, and the hidden debauchery that undergirds a puritanical society!
The true point arcing above his head: damn eastern Europeans are weird
Yeah it follows has one theme executed poorly. It has one metaphor also executed poorly. Its a facil movie and a typical monster movie shot in a somewhat art house style. I really think its the style that makes people see a depth that is just not present.
no it doesn’t only have one theme we’re just only talking about one of the themes right now. Alcoholism and addiction are also themes of the movie for example
and your idea of the metaphor being executed poorly seems to be that the film also treats the in narrative real monster as a real monster as well as a metaphor
Love to see it.
I suppose the Fly was just a dumb movie about a guy who got mixed up with a fly too, and didn’t symbolize any deeper themes of transformation, transhumanism, evolution, fear of sex, fear of birth and babies, death drive or anything further. Just a movie about a guy turning into a fly.
How do you enjoy art with this level of shallow incuriosity to the symbols, themes and context of said art? Especially horror, which is so interwoven with social commentary and social fears
What’s the Scooby doo swimming pool trap ment to represent?
Everything has to be didactic and literal or it doesn’t exist to STEM brains
The movie was bad. It is bad art. There is good art but it follows ain’t it. Not to mention it was produced in the pursuit of profit so it is also soulless as well as bad.
Just because you didn’t understand it doesn’t mean that its bad. Just because it wasn’t made for $20 by a bunch of film students doesn’t make it soulless. You not liking it is fine but you’re not the arbiter of taste
not only are they the arbiter of taste, they are the arbiter of meaning and the arbiter of content
I understand it fine.
Let’s say it is about the consequences of sex. What are those exactly. Pregnancy, loss of financial opportunity, loss of autonomy, STDs, a lasting responsiblty , all of these things could have been explored in fun and intrestimg ways but, what did we get? A by the numbers monster movie with a somewhat novel twist. Like
Another of the consequences of sex for a young woman is that peoples attitudes about you may change, even people close to you. Most notably embodied by her simp friend who still wants to have sex with her and is jealous of those that do, despite knowing it means his death, and who is ultimately disillusioned when they do because its meaningless and perfunctory for both of them.
The movie chose to convey this in the form of an unstoppable monster that posseses people because its a monster movie. Again, you don’t have to like it. Not every movie appeals to every person but its not like we’re talking about Halloween 3 here. A lot of people like that movie for a reason
I would also say the “it” that follows, the monster, is an embodiment of contradictory social pressures that follows women in the contemporary world. The pressure by men to have sex (and the rewards that come when you give in to that pressure) vs. the opposing social force condemning you for being a sl*t, saying you are just sleeping your way up catching up to you. This is represented by the chain of sex, it both damns and then saves you. The first person you fuck damns you (you lose your virginity) and the second person you fuck saves you, but at the expense of you damning them. They become the “sl-t” that society chases instead, the lowest rung in the totem pole.
I think it’s a quite poignant and thoughtful criticism and exploration and has a lot more nuance than the user above gives credit for.
The movie conveys this as events in the movie. The monster is independent of this and poorly represents or stands in for anything deeper than antagonist. The movie is fine I don’t dislike it but it is so overhyped.
you are a baby brain
They could also be ND my dude. I’m autistic and also struggle a lot with this
Do you try to ban content you don’t understand? That’s the real rub here from the puritanicals in this thread, they don’t just want some help parsing difficult themes they want them gone
That its easier to deal with trauma if you face it with your friends?