• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Maine is a state where almost half the households have guns. I don’t think opponents of the second amendment are going to find a lot of support there even after yesterday’s mass shooting.

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      People advocating for gun control arent opponents of the 2nd amendment…

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        Like most things fox news has turned the entire debate into an us vs them thing. Gun control is surprisingly something that most Republicans and Democrats agree on.

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        People advocating for gun control aren’t necessarily opponents of the 2nd amendment, but people talking about well-regulated militias usually are. What’s the point of bringing up that strange phrase unless you don’t think that the 2nd amendment’s right to bear arms applies to everyone regardless of membership in some sort of militia?

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      1 year ago

      I think it’s pretty easy to find support for gun control.

      Or “oppose the second amendment”, as you propagandistically say, because you dont have facts on your side.

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        Isn’t that a national poll, as opposed to a poll of Maine residents? I’m talking specifically about Maine, not about the USA as a whole.

        Or “oppose the second amendment”, as you propagandistically say, because you dont have facts on your side.

        Generally people who quibble about the term “well-regulated militia” do specifically oppose the second amendment. But the constitution of Maine doesn’t have that ambiguity:

        Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.

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        I might be wrong, but isn’t everything on there already a requirement? I think the mental health check is the only thing that isn’t (unless you consider losing your right to own a gun after being involuntarily committed for any reason to be a mental health check). The problem is that even our existing gun control laws aren’t being properly enforced (otherwise that wouldn’t be part of the poll). I think there needs to be more gun control. I’m just not sure that more gun control is going to work because the government won’t enforce what’s already there.

        I personally think a licensing system similar to what we have for cars would help a lot. Want a double-barrel shotgun? The current system would probably work for that. Want an AR-15? You need the enthusiast license which involves a week or two of training, a basic mental health evaluation, and a gun safe (not a flimsy lockbox) to store it in. Want a .50 cal, belt-fed browning machine gun? You gotta get the super ultra deluxe license that requires a year of training and mental health checks, background checks complete with colonoscopies from the FBI and ATF, and you still need a gun safe to store it in. Finally, if your gun is used in a crime then you’re considered to be an accomplice. Your only defense is if you can prove it was properly stored and you reported it as stolen within a reasonable amount of time.

        Edit: I got it guys, I’m wrong about existing gun control. I’m leaving the post up because there may be others who are also confused about it.

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          Not quite, most states don’t have a waiting period either because they haven’t been shown to be effective at curbing crime. In fact avg “time to crime” of a gun is 11yrs according to the ATF, 11yr is quite the waiting period.

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          You’re not wrong those are all required by law except the mental health checks, but even then you are prohibited if you’ve had an involuntary stay in a mental institution.

          But those people aren’t interested in facts, only biased groupthink just look at how they show their thoughts with their downvotes because they have nothing intelligent to say.