Both Ukraine and Palestine are fighting against an invading force. We can unanimously agree that Palestinians have have been illegally occupied in an open air prison/concentration camp for 75 years. And we seem to agree that Palestine cannot be a perfect victim and it is reasonable that they seek support in Hamas instead of their Israeli oppressors.

Now why can’t the same logic be applied to Ukraine? There is absolutely a nazi problem in Ukraine. A nazi problem that needs to be wiped out. But Russia isnt trying to denazify Ukraine, they’re trying to maintain borders and resist NATO. But while doing so they are indiscriminately killing civilians and are the aggressors.

Personally, I believe in what Norman Finkelstein has to say about Hezbollah and the red army. Both are not perfect, but I don’t care about their politics. I care that they are a resisting force and believe a country should have the right to self determination.

So how are these situations diametrically opposed that you seem to be hostile towards Ukraine but supportive of Palestine?

I don’t mean to come off as shaming or judgemental. I genuinely would like to hear your perspective.

Edit: I appreciate all of the thoughtful and patient responses. Even though I might not respond to everything here I am reading all of it. I was operating under a lack of information, which I’ve never seen any Western media source report on. Ever since leaving reddit, hexbear has been a great source of alternative perspectives and context. It’s opened my eyes to a lot of how I’ve been misled by papers that I’ve trusted.

  • Kaplya@hexbear.netEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Some people say “Russia could just leave if they wanted to” implies that positive peace can be achieved if they stopped the invasion everything would be alright. But this does not remove the element of the existential threat that they face from an expanding NATO encirclement.

    To develop this point further: Russians did leave after the ceasefire agreement following the Ukrainian civil war in 2014, and they honored the Minsk agreements that would gradually allow the Donbass republics to be returned to Ukraine (but with more local autonomy to protect their local culture/language rights etc to prevent future ethnic cleansing by the Ukrainian ultranationalists).

    Instead, what they saw since 2014 was NATO training and arming Ukrainian neo-Nazis and supplying Javelins and Stingers and all sorts of military equipments to Ukraine. Anyone in the Russian leadership who actually believe that they can “just leave” after being fooled the last time is an idiot.