u/Unclerickythemaoist - originally from r/GenZhou
Which “communist” parties in the United States are Liberal
u/Anti_Terrestrialist - originally from r/GenZhou
CPUSA isn’t so black and white, or static, as some make it out to be. they’ve had positions that I think I’d call “liberal” but they’re communists still. like supporting the democratic nominees in presidential elections, I strongly disagree with it, and I’d characterize it as liberal, but they’re reasoning is coming from a communist POV, if that makes sense.it’s a big party with a large somewhat diverse membership, they’ve clearly moved further into the ML camp (from being more revisionist and “liberal”) in the last few years and we’ll just have to see which factions of the party win out. they’ve gone through some big changes over the last 100 years. I’m no expert on this history but reading Black Bolshevik gave me that impression.
there’s the question of infiltration as well, but that frankly should be expected in an org that’s been around that long and has had so much history, with such a (relative to American socialist parties) large membership.
u/1catcherintherye8 - originally from r/GenZhoulike supporting the democratic nominees in presidential elections
I don’t know that I would interpret the CPUSA supporting a candidate as a whole but more a specific policy or ideal that aligns with progress. In other words, if the the choice is between a politician who is for universal healthcare or not, then we should support the candidate who is in favor of universal healthcare even though we know they will likely not be able to pass it while we also work to organize, increase class consciousness, and grow the vanguard party. We should be able to work tomorrow all these things at the same time.
Revolution and overthrowing the government is the only way to change the system but we must also try to incrementally improve the lives of the working class because doing so will help lead to the former. How so? Well, you can’t grow as a vanguard party by not fighting to improve the lives of the working class people. No one wants to hear, “there’s no time for better wages, we need to overthrow the government!”. People need help now.
I don’t necessarily think you disagree with this perspective, I just wanted to provide a thorough explanation for anyone else reading.
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u/Anti_Terrestrialist - originally from r/GenZhou
thanks for this explanation, this is definitely the reasoning I’ve seen for CPUSA’s policies.my disagreement comes from the support for candidates like Clinton and Biden. I don’t think they have any track record of moving towards progress and I’m extremely skeptical of claims that they’re the lesser evil against someone like Trump (Biden’s presidency is proof of this). If it were someone like Bernie though, that’d be a different conversation since he’s someone that does actually support universal healthcare, etc and would do a lot to legitimize socialism in the minds of liberals. although I have no illusions about him being able to pass a lot of that stuff or him still being an imperialist.
Well, you can’t grow as a vanguard party by not fighting to improve the lives of the working class people. No one wants to hear, “there’s no time for better wages, we need to overthrow the government!”. People need help now.
100% agree. we’ll never gain support of the people by posturing and poo-pooing any genuine attempts of workers to make their lives better.
u/jawnbeatwif - originally from r/GenZhou
Maybe. Join and improve the ratio by oneu/Unclerickythemaoist - originally from r/GenZhou
I don’t live in the USu/jawnbeatwif - originally from r/GenZhou
I see. It has many liberals to be sure but it is the best we have at the moment. Local chapters vary and some are better than others (some are even quite based)
u/Toenails22 - originally from r/GenZhou
I am friends with many comrades from CPUSA, and they are very revolutionary. Still, some in the party are more liberal and less revolutionary, I think, as Marxist Leninists, instead of going and making another party like so many do join CPUSA and fight against the liberals in the party and win control.u/CristianoEstranato - originally from r/GenZhou
They do seem rather demsoc in their leadership. Very low energy and uninteresting bunch.u/SaprophyticFungus - originally from r/GenZhou
This is why PCUSA exists.u/sgtpepper9764 - originally from r/GenZhou
PCUSA are pat-socs.u/thunderfart6 - originally from r/GenZhou
Glad i got out of there when i did then… that’s a shameu/SaprophyticFungus - originally from r/GenZhou
Are you basing that off of that tweet? I heard that the person who posted that got ejected from the party as it was out of line.u/sgtpepper9764 - originally from r/GenZhou
I’ve seen a couple of things from them and social media stuff from people claiming to be affiliated with them that lead me to believe this. I don’t know that it is a part of their platform, but given the other scandals they’ve had I find it easy to believe they’ve attracted that kind of people, intentionally or unintentionally.
u/Sire_Toxic - originally from r/GenZhou
PCUSA’s views on China are trash, at least CPUSA holds support of modern China
u/RoyalSnipez15 - originally from r/GenZhou
CPUSA is pretty bad, the central committee are indistinguishable from liberal democrats.u/SapphicCirrus - originally from r/GenZhou
Yes, it’s the single most recouperated, fed filled party in America bar the DSAu/geekandthegreek - originally from r/GenZhou
Yes.u/kimjongUSA - originally from r/GenZhou
I think so. I just took a look at their instagram feed and saw all this BLM and Trans/gay pride nonsense… that looks pretty liberal to me. (and no, I don’t hate black, gay, or trans ppl… but I’d assume the average person on this sub knows the difference between virtue signalling and real activism)u/justaguy891 - originally from r/GenZhou
yes.u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
A was under that impression like 2 years ago but nah the CPUSA is a marxist leninist organization. The Joe and Rosana era of the cpusa is doing pretty good for the party.[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
[removed]u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
No I’m dead ass. Anyone who actually pays attention to American communist activity will tell you what I have. Like c’mon over the past 10 months their membership has grown exponentially.This comment of yours has no material basis in reality.
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[removed]u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhouI’ve paid attention to them my entire life
Then maybe pay attention a little closer from here on in. Because clearly you’re not seeing what I and most communist do see from the organization nowadays
also, theres the CPI, Caleb Maupin, Jackson Hinkle, Haz… all would disagree with you.
Of course rightists would disagree with me. Why should I care about what 2 e-celebs with cults of personality, Caleb “Israel controls the world” Maupin, and CPI aka Neo-Browderism the organization think?
are content to have it stay that way.
Literally not true more than ever. Once again you are telling me a fiction that only resides in your brain. They are actively trying to run candidates again. They have a strong social media presence. Ask any member of the cpusa today (which isn’t hard at all since genzedong has a pretty high amount of cpusa members). Heck go to their subreddit r/CPUSA and talk to the mods who most are district leaders. They clearly want to be a major force again.
prove it
One only needs to look at the influx of cpusa on twitter. One only needs to go to their website and type member growth https://www.cpusa.org/party_voices/resurgence-and-growth-of-the-cpusa-in-d-c/
u/justaguy891 - originally from r/GenZhouOne only needs to look at the influx of cpusa on twitter
are you fucking kidding me? twitter? lmao. omg. this is so cringe. terminally online. touch grass. jfc. twitter is not remotely close to real life. thanks for showing again your non-seriousness.
u/thunderfart6 - originally from r/GenZhou
Idk they got a pretty liberal line when it comes to elections which is like the worst way to build socialismu/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhou
Telling people to defend liberal democracy isn’t a bad thing. Is fascism an inevitability for the American people? Yes, as certain as the sun rising tomorrow. But telling people to defend lib democracy will buy time for communist, union organizers, and other groups of the oppressed to organize. Build the proper institutions to counter act this threat.u/thunderfart6 - originally from r/GenZhou
Telling people to defend liberal democracy is a bad thing when the goal is actual democracy. Why would you instill faith in bourgeois elections when we know that cannot and will not improve the lives of anyone, but the ones at the top? Liberals and fascists defend liberal democracy, we’re supposed to challenge it and show why it’s bullshit with a solution.u/Arch_Null - originally from r/GenZhoufascists defend liberal democracy.
No they don’t…
In fact they actively oppose it. Huh? This literally runs contrary to all examples of fascism.
u/justaguy891 - originally from r/GenZhoudefend liberal democracy
im sorry, wheres the democracy? certainly not here in america
u/Orange0818 - originally from r/GenZhou
That’s mostly because of infrared
u/Jack_ofall_Trades85 - originally from r/GenZhou
Honestly I think cpusa, psl are jokes. Only ‘communist’ platform i would support is the SEP/WSWSu/Zachmorris4186 - originally from r/GenZhou
World socialist website? Arent they trots?u/Jack_ofall_Trades85 - originally from r/GenZhou
Still provide better news/analysis then 98% of other sourcesu/traggot - originally from r/GenZhou
don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, im not the biggest fan of trots either but i would way sooner trust a trots interpretation of world events than a liberal.u/Jack_ofall_Trades85 - originally from r/GenZhou
Its all good, most comrades have this reaction to the term ‘trot’ even though Trotsky never denounced the USSR and called it a workers state until the ice pick.And again, WSWS does provide excellent analysis of news and current events; it truly is hard to find a better communist source.
Im all ears/eyes open if someone can suggest a better site
u/Zachmorris4186 - originally from r/GenZhou
Trots were the original “lets argue against age of consent laws” people. Especially the wsws (before they were wsws) people. Some of their members founded nambla in the 80s.u/Jack_ofall_Trades85 - originally from r/GenZhou
If there is one thing about trots it is sectarianism and splintering off into 1000 groups.But again, provide a better website for marxist analysis of the news, im still waiting
u/Zachmorris4186 - originally from r/GenZhou
Workers world, liberation news, the grayzone, the cradle, cgtn, cctv, mronline, moonofalabama, hoodcommunist. Just go on r/communism and look at the links theyre sharing. None of those sites defend rape or have a history with nambla.
u/pope-ron-paul-II - originally from r/GenZhou
weird sex websiteu/Guidobama - originally from r/GenZhou
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