u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey comrades,
I’m a part of a discord server called Vegan Theory Club that’s run by mix of leftist tendencies. It’s a theory club that’s explicitly leftist and vegan, but we talk about more than just the book of the month.
We just started reading Eternal Treblinka - Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust by Charles Patterson, which we voted for. (Our last book was Kapital.) Right now is the perfect time to join!
We’d love to have you!
u/warender99 - originally from r/GenZhouI think you should read the literature they provided. It’s not too long and greatly clarifies what is being said as well as addressing all of your counterpoints. Seriously I did not go into it thinking it would change my views, but the fact is it is a well put together, solid argument that rejects idealist utopian veganism and analyzes it through the lense of historical materialism. What is funny about it is how well it addresses everything you are saying here. Same for me before I read it. You don’t have to agree with op, but at least do the homework. We are all about education here I should hope.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouThanks for the suggestion, i may read it one day, although i have my doubts it will convince me. Class struggle is the basis for working class liberation according to historical materialism. Domestic animals arent capable of class struggle (no, Animal Farm doesnt count xD) so there is nothing in a historical materialist analysis that can determine their “liberation”. Also i have my doubts OP fully understands marxist theory, since iirc he wrote a comment saying something like “animal consumption is wrong because animal commodification is wrong”, which is nonsense. Commodification is the production of something not to use it, but to exchange it for money, to get money. Thus, animal consumption doesnt necessarily entail commodification if you are consuming it yourself. But anyway thanks for the recommendation comrade!
u/warender99 - originally from r/GenZhouHey I was the same way before reading it. I had your very same doubts, and seriously didn’t think there could be a good argument made. I have to say now that I was wrong. I certainly feel it makes a good case for itself. In any case it does a better job explaining itself than I could ever do here. Have a good day comrade!