u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey comrades,
I’m a part of a discord server called Vegan Theory Club that’s run by mix of leftist tendencies. It’s a theory club that’s explicitly leftist and vegan, but we talk about more than just the book of the month.
We just started reading Eternal Treblinka - Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust by Charles Patterson, which we voted for. (Our last book was Kapital.) Right now is the perfect time to join!
We’d love to have you!
u/courtneygoe - originally from r/GenZhouSo basically, some of them don’t believe it. Others just haven’t looked into it and it “seems” right to them.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouYeah ofc, having to take pills everyday to survive is totally natural and presents no incovenients. Like imagine now that imperialism collapses and theres no B12 pills in the shops or they become extremely expensive. What then huh? Theyll have to choose between eating meat or death. These people truly believe the whole world is stocked with cheap B12 in all stores. Classic utopian petty bourgeois ideologues that Engels talked about in “Socialism Utopian and Scientific”
u/liftandsenditup - originally from r/GenZhouVeganism is fucking stupid, but you should also probably not be on that western bourgeoisie diet of meat with every meal. Most of the global south are not vegans, most of them eat a largely plant based diet however. There’s a middle ground you’re missing here. I rarely eat meat, but I take no vitamins at all and am pretty healthy. Arguing a diet that humans did not evolve to have is weird to me. Humans evolved as omnivores, not carnivores, and for most omnivorous creatures meat is a luxury that they rarely have access to.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouWhen did i say you should eat meat with every meal? Please quote me
u/liftandsenditup - originally from r/GenZhouThis is being deceptive. You are defending the status quo against a popular criticism, unless you specifically state the diet you are arguing FOR, arguing against veganism is an implicit support of typical western diets, which features meat at every meal. People will have to make assumptions when your arguments are vague and that is your fault.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouAlso your american centric assumptions are weakening your position even more. No, anglo diet is not the only western diet. I live in the mediterrenean area and we eat much less meat than you do. We eat a lot of carbohydrates (pasta, rice, beans, stuff like that mainly). We also eat meat but not on a daily basis, nowhere near that. In fact, many doctors have recognized the mediterrenean diet as a quite healthy one. Maybe you should learn more about the world outside America before making such accusations huh?
u/liftandsenditup - originally from r/GenZhouYeah, for sure. Quote me where I said you live in America and eat an American diet tho?
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouOh im being deceptive, not you by strawmanning my argument! Again, where did i say that an all meat diet is recommendable? Quote me genius. Let me guess, you are angry because i exposed your idealistic antimarxist ideology? Too bad, i dont care about your feelings, i only care about material reality, as all marxists should. What diet would be ideal? I dont know, maybe we could leave this question up to doctors, to people who dedicate their lifes to study this, instead of to random internet militant vegans who have studied 0 physiology and have 0 understanding of just how damn complex human metabolism and its relation to diet is. Or even easier, you can simply mind your own business and not impose your niche idealistic feeling based ideology on anyone else that doesnt want it. Anyway, now you can go back to strawmanning me.
u/liftandsenditup - originally from r/GenZhouLove that you’re so worked up over this. I started my first comment with “veganism is bullshit” but apparently I am the one straw manning you. Why does veganism trigger you so much?
Edit: I know I shouldn’t be arguing with children on the internet but this is rlly fun.
u/courtneygoe - originally from r/GenZhouFun trivia about me: b12 supplements are a HUGE risk of gall bladder attack for me. Constant attacks leave you at risk of infection and needing it taken out as an emergency procedure. I didn’t even remember this other way going vegan could potentially kill me and people with similar health problems.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouOof, that sucks man. Yeah the more arguments against veganism. Many vegans seriously dont know shit about potential side effects and complications from their diet lol
u/courtneygoe - originally from r/GenZhouNot to mention, babies exist and sometimes no one around can reliably produce milk. We will always need animal products. Leather is far superior to synthetics when it comes to sustainability for shoes and winter wear. If we can make lab grown leather, all the better. Let’s do that. But let’s do it when it doesn’t contribute more to climate doom than just raising cows.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouGood argument. I myself needed cow milk as a baby since my mom barely produced any.