u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey comrades,
I’m a part of a discord server called Vegan Theory Club that’s run by mix of leftist tendencies. It’s a theory club that’s explicitly leftist and vegan, but we talk about more than just the book of the month.
We just started reading Eternal Treblinka - Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust by Charles Patterson, which we voted for. (Our last book was Kapital.) Right now is the perfect time to join!
We’d love to have you!
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouI merely asked to see whether l could get somewhat decent of a reply. You flat out rejecting lab grown meat says a lot about your ideals, or rather lack thereof. Lab grown meat while still in its infancy is a positive development merely due to the by effect of stimulating research in the field of biotechnology. It also allows us to deepen our understanding and start a discussions on what meat consumption is really about from a societal perspective. Once we develop the technology to a point where even elephant burgers are feasible the next inevitable step is the further abstraction of meat consumption and we can truly start developing meat replacements that severe out relationship with seeing animals as things for consumption. Lab grown meat is merely a necessary step in our societal evolution. You outright disregarding it as a potential solution shows that you’re a veganist purely for selfish considerations.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouWe don’t need to lick the boot of meat capital for a magic new commodity. We need economic change, and it doesn’t come about by voting with our wallets.
We do not need meat to thrive. The only true way to achieve animal liberation is through class struggle. Don’t fall for lib greenwashing.
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouThis isn’t about getting a new commodity. This is about making better use of the limited resources on our planet. We must count our lucky stars that we were born in a world where innovation can solve many of our problems.
Hey, I’m not against revolution. Not at all. But you’re too shortsighted. What seems to be bothering you is that in the USA the capitalist class is investing in this new technology. Well, in China you have quite a few universities kickstarting projects on lab grown meat with government funds. One prominent center of food research is Wuhan, of COVID fame.
Stop seeing the world as black and white. Stop comparing an ideal against an imperfect reality, as doing so you will always be left with the reality coming off as an undesirable second option. Even in the most socialist of societies meat consumption was never halted.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouWe already have a solution, eat plants. Stop making excuses about waiting for some unnecessary far off technology.
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouNobody here is making excuses. It’s you who is rejecting a technology because it isn’t feasible now.
Eating plants isn’t a solution. As you won’t get everyone on board. Guess what is also a solution? People no longer procreating. Like that we can finally give animals the room they deserve. Just decrease our population to a million strong.
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouMalthusianism in my leftist subreddit? It’s more likely than you’d think.
https://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2017/01/engels-rebuts-malthus.html?m=1
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouYou understand that I took that example to point out the ludicrousness of it all, right?
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouYou did a poor job. Read theory.
https://mronline.org/2018/08/28/18-theses-on-marxism-and-animal-liberation
u/69Epicchungus1488_2 - originally from r/GenZhouTechnology advances fast. We went from bulky desktop computers with dial up internet to smartphones twice as fast in two decades.
Stem cell grown meat isn’t far off. Given the news I’ve heard over the past few years, I’d say it’s a decade away from being bought from stores and two decades away from being able to replace meat.
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouYeah except you need B12 vitamin which you can only get from animal products. You also need 2+ iron (animal iron), since 3+ iron (vegetal iron) has an extremely poor absorption rate. Theres a reason people with iron deficiency are told to eat meat and not beans. But sure, tell people in the global south they should instead buy synthetic B12 and synthetic 2+ iron, like they can afford it. I swear vegans are always privileged imperial core kids, and it shows. Im very sorry for the animals, but the people that we exploit have much bigger problems. You think people in Afghanistan can stop eating meat? Stop it with this useless utopianism that only makes leftists look like weirdos. You dont wanna eat meat, good for you, but dont insist the whole world should follow you
u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhouImagine reading literally anything before posting that
u/PaiosFranen - originally from r/GenZhouImagine thinking farmers in rural Afghanistan can afford synthetic B12. Typical petty bourgeois imperial core kid. Im very sorry, but animal farming will continue to exist for many centuries, since talking about veganism while people are starving right now is nonsense, and its the most idealistic petty bourgeois shit ive heard today. Deal with it