u/explorerofbells - originally from r/GenZhou
Hey comrades,
I’m a part of a discord server called Vegan Theory Club that’s run by mix of leftist tendencies. It’s a theory club that’s explicitly leftist and vegan, but we talk about more than just the book of the month.
We just started reading Eternal Treblinka - Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust by Charles Patterson, which we voted for. (Our last book was Kapital.) Right now is the perfect time to join!
We’d love to have you!
u/Jerry_the_Goat - originally from r/GenZhouYou asked a vegan for their opinion on lab-grown meat so they’ll answer in that context, from the perspective of a vegan talking to non-vegan. You may simply not be aware but vegans are not against eating flesh-like substances but against commodification of animals for the sake of food, clothing, testing, entertainment etc. If lab-grown meat would be developed with assistance of consenting human test subjects then I wouldn’t see anything wrong with it. But rn the most advanced procedures requires fresh samples of cell tissue from live animals that’ll have to be kept in captivity ie: be commodified. Just as I wouldn’t want to be held captive as a test subject against my will I won’t endorse that way of development of lab-grown meat. If it would be cruelty-free then I’ll be all for it. I’m type I diabetic and I’d happily lend my cell tissue to develop lab-grown pancreas. And even more so if it wouldn’t be developed for profit incentive
Not that my opinion or “voting with my wallet” would ever matter btw.
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouYou’re just making shit up now. You don’t need continual cell sampling, all companies work with a single cell line of which the animal has died years ago. Taking new samples from new animals messes with the data and introduces too much variation in the results.
u/bongmom420 - originally from r/GenZhouSource? Mosa Meat claims that one tissue sample from a cow has a production capacity of about 80,000 quarter pounders, which granted is impressively large, but still quite finite. Source: https://mosameat.com/growing-beef
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouTissue samples for research are increasingly made from reconfiguring stem cells.
u/Jerry_the_Goat - originally from r/GenZhouWhat about fetal bovine serum on which the cells are grown? And what about Hayflick effect, won’t closed genetic pool of animal cells produce tumours eventually?
I’m genuinely curious, you seem like a knowledgeable fellow.
u/A-V-A-Weyland - originally from r/GenZhouThat’s why you don’t use somatic cells, or normal cells. Stem cells don’t follow this rules. Maybe for the current production they use somatic cells to save money, but when it comes to research you want to have your samples be identical and the best way to achieve that is through samples derived from stem cells.