• SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Im curious. What would YOUR solution be? Considering hammas just brutally murdered, kidnapped, beheaded, raped, mutilated, mauled about 1200 Israeli civilians. What should Israel do?

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        9 months ago

        Yes, the obvious solution to your adversary slaughtering civilians is to yourself murder even more of their civilians. The key to war crimes is to always commit bigger ones than are committed against you.

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        9 months ago

        Any settler with citizenship elsewhere should leave, stolen land given back to Palestinians, massive reparations paid, and the current Israeli government dissolved and replaced with a single Palestine government fairly representing all.

        Barring that, at least stop genociding Palestinians, that would be a decent start.

        It’s not like they’re attacking Israel for no reason - they’ve had their home stolen, their people slaughtered, and what’s left of them concentrated into a small, extremely dense outdoor prison. Their violence is only a reflection of Israeli violence.

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          9 months ago

          “ and the current Israeli government dissolved and replaced with a single Palestine government fairly representing all”

          So basically what you are saying is israel should let hammas masssacre not 1200 people but all of them.

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          9 months ago

          Let me remind you that Israel unilaterally and unconditionally removed all settlements from gaza and left gaza on their own. No blockade, no jail, nothing.

          Just a month later they ELECTED Hammas and everything else is history.

          So Israel is not in gaza and doesnt have any settlements in Gaza for 20 years.

          Let me also remind you that Hammas doesnt want just some plot of land somewhere. They want Israel to obliterated and all jews disappear from “river to the sea”

          Any other suggestions? Again? What do YOU think should be done for massacring 1200 children, women, babies and what do YOU think would deter other organizations from doing it the future.

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            9 months ago

            No my answer remains unchanged.

            “Oh we stole 95% of their land, killed many thousands of them, and forced them into a little strip where we brutally occupied them for many years - but we graciously decided to leave them to their own devices in their broken little strip of land. Can you believe they were STILL mad‽ What do they want? Their homes back?” Isn’t a good argument btw.

            “They want Israel to obliterated and all jews disappear from “river to the sea””

            That’s pretty clearly been the aim of Israel towards Palestine since the 40’s. Can you blame the Palestinians? Maybe they’d be a tad more fucking reasonable had they been treated with any sort of respect whatsoever. Israeli violence and settler colonialism has made them extremists. Sorry they didn’t roll over and take it. This is entirely Israel’s fault.

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      Stupid question. Iran enabled Hamas to strike first in a cowardly attack. How many ordinary, defenseless homes and lives did these terrorists destroy without restraint? Go look at the monsters in the footage. The trail of beheadings and rape in true savage horror. Just like Isis, just like Russia. The mark of true evil. Israel has never done such a thing.

      Your question is invalid and irrelevant.

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        “How many innocent civilians did they just kill” is an irrelevant question?

        Israel has killed a magnitude more than Palestinians have.

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          9 months ago

          Prove it.

          Btw Hamas is not Palestinian people. They are terrorists. Palestinian people live peacefully. Why don’t you go over there and be a hero?

          You’d rather sit here online and argue stupidly than think for yourself. You aren’t changing anything for the better.

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        This is a gross view imo.

        Because a terrorist group attacked someone innocent civilians should be murdered freely.

        Just eww mate.

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          Didn’t say that. Hamas uses people as a shield hoping for PR. Convenient for you to ignore the way they went door to door to kill people. Then the music festival.

          USA has a right to defend itself. NATO defend itself. Israel defend itself.

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            I didn’t say anything to defend them and explicitly called them terrorists. So not sure how I’m ignoring what they did.

            My point is it doesn’t mean it’s ok to attack civilians.

            I wouldn’t support the US or NATO murdering civilians either.