u/Atryan420 - originally from r/GenZhou
In my personal experience nothing contributed more to pushing me away from liberals than this video. Recently i started watching “Second Thought” and his videos are also great, but i think he’s just doing stuff most of leftists already agree on, i’m looking for video that you could show to a DemSoc and they would be like “Damn, maybe i really am brainwashed, maybe i really should critically support China?”.
No disrespect to Hakim, i’m subscribed to him and i watch his videos, they’re also really good, but i don’t think they’re on the same quite level of effectiveness as what i’m talking about. I don’t really how to explain it, but i think it has something to do with people tending to believe more in people who live in these countries or at least who traveled there. If this video wasn’t called “We Went To North Korea To Get A Haircut” but instead “Media Is Lying To You About North Korea” i don’t think people would give a shit. Also i don’t think it would be as effective if this video was just a vlog about travelling to NK, instead they talked about US involvement in Korean War, mentioned Hiroshima&Nagasaki, and completely exposed hypocritical media.
I think you could make a similar video about “Chinese Ghost Cities” for example.
u/AyyItsDylan94 - originally from r/GenZhou
I totally get what you’re saying. Two youtubers I’m familiar with that produce some similar content are Jerry Goode and Blondie in China. Jerry’s channel is more oriented to calling out BS about China from a sorta apolitical (non Marxist) perspective while Blondie in China is pretty much exclusively about her life in China. She does videos like walking across all of Bejing, visiting exercise parks and talking to people, stuff like that. While Jerry mainly calls out bs he often does videos where he talks about stuff while walking around where he lives in China. He did one recently where he walked around for a couple hours in a MAGA hat just to show people’s reactions and how to show how free you actually are living there compared to the western depiction that anyone who does anything against the CPC is immediately disappeared.u/Atryan420 - originally from r/GenZhou
Thanks for recommendations, i will check out these channels!u/Azirahael - originally from r/GenZhou
Nathan rich. Daniel Dumbrill The Barrett.
u/sedlaghs - originally from r/GenZhou
Hmm, in my experience whenever I show people these videos they say “they’re all paid by the government!!!” or “it’s all propaganda, those are fake Uyghurs / Chinese people forced to say X”. Same if I describe my own experiences there, having traveled there multiple times.But here are some channels I’ve seen that I think are good about general life in China.
YChina: https://youtube.com/c/Ychinamedia
安妮古丽： https://youtube.com/channel/UCRc63ZkXuzAWGzaJVEe_hxA (mainly in mandarin though)
Xinjiang and Tibet sisters: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5hykSm2o7oRpOyFrMYjeBg
Also Douyin has a lot of videos from different regions of China and a lot of influencers of minority ethnicity. Iirc, after Pompeo was sanctioned by China, a lot of Xinjiang locals uploaded videos of their lives with a hashtag about the real Xinjiang, something like that.
u/Atryan420 - originally from r/GenZhou
Some people are just too far gone maybe, i don’t think you can change someone’s mind unless they’re willing to change, i think what sparked that “willingness” in me is noticing how annoying the people i follow are (ex.Vaush, and especially his fanbase that was losing their shit after his “debate” with Hakim). Malding about tankies is probably the easiest grift, you say “China bad!” and everyone from Anarchists to Nazis claps. There’s so much shit going on right now that focusing on China or Cuba is honestly deranged.u/Next-Increase5847 - originally from r/GenZhou
At least for Xinjiang and Tibet sisters – I have a hunch that certain anti-China supporters are doxxing them, back when Youtube had the dislike count, they had a much higher dislike ratio.On a side note, it’s funny how Laowhy/Serpentza/ADV complain how they get “harassed” when someone calls them stupid, yet they devote videos to how said channel is a shill/sellout. Is that not harassment?
One time I randomly visited ADV subreddit and there was this post asking its members to downvote this person’s new channel. I forgot his name (something green? Nathan Green? he was featured on Daniel Dumbrill’s channel, he was part of some neutral campaign in HK), and in his intro video apparently the ADV subreddit poster (btw, some really racist guy who was also in scotland’s subreddit, he couldn’t stand Pakistanis at all) was saying how this new channel was spouting CCP propaganda (HK protestors beating the elderly, or China lifting millions out of poverty). And then he was like make sure you downvote. When I checked the video there were some nasty comments too.
u/sedlaghs - originally from r/GenZhou
Yeah idk if it was their account or someone else, but a Uyghur influencer’s account was removed on Twitter after being bombarded by hate messages and “shill” accusations.The “CCP shill” in particular is such a laughable argument imo, sexpatza and his crew use it to dismiss everyone and every organization and every government that doesn’t align with them instead of using any fact based arguments, and then call other people brainwashed lmfao. Beyond parody.
u/Next-Increase5847 - originally from r/GenZhou
The thing what’s annoying is that Serpentza/Laowhy’s subscribers are only going up – when they left China I think they were in the mid 100K/200K mark I think? Maybe a bit higher.But apparently the “shill” accusations is working, and it shows that’s what some people want to hear.
On a side note, I’m surprised no one has really taken the time to expose those two’s racist behavior, with the exception of Daniel Dumbrill. It took so long for that to happen. I’d wish I had the time too, and I guess that’s the reason why for others as well. But if people exposed those two early on, especially back when they were in China, they wouldn’t be able to pump out anti-China content (often times that’s nonsense), make money and gain popularity.
u/sedlaghs - originally from r/GenZhou
Anti China material is extremely popular right now because there’s an endless amount of stuff people can use to bash China and Chinese people, easily provided by CNN, BBC, etc. Coupled with a general lack of historical awareness and critical thinking, and you get a massive audience thrilled to let out their racist sentiments on a people it’s currently politically correct to bash while they hide behind the “I only hate the CCP” excuse.I’ve seen other videos that call them out, but they’re small channels with far less influence. Tbh though, I’m not as optimistic as you are. Society seems to have a very short, selective memory in general. Look at how many Americans worship the Dalai Lama / feudal Tibet despite the evidence of him being a slaveholder having been publicized for years now.
u/-9999px - originally from r/GenZhou
Daniel Dumbrill visited Xinjiang, interviewed some people, and toured some cities. Worth a watch:https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielDumbrill/search?query=xinjiang
Travel vlogger FerMuBe visited Xinjiang and has tons of videos on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/c/FerMuBe/search?query=xinjiang
Travel vlogger Noel lee has his own accounts of traveling with FerMuBe above:
https://www.youtube.com/c/NoelLee89/search?query=xinjiang
American-born Cyrus Janssen has several videos on Xinjiang:
https://www.youtube.com/c/CyrusJanssen/search?query=xinjiang
Zoe Discovers is a nearly completely apolitical travel blog (DPRK) that happens to dispel a ton of myths by simple exposure:
DMZ tour: https://youtu.be/qTGlGMU-lC8
New Years Party: https://youtu.be/u0Vd7n6k4E8
Interview with American ex-pats:
Why Do Americans Live In China? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXWYPeEfOb8
GoYvon is another travel vlogger in China. Her videos dispel a lot of myths, again out of sheer exposure:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFZ1X5yrExxBU22SGZ2uJBw
wocomoHUMANITY has this documentary on North Korea that shows a harsh reality due to economic sanctions, but again dispels a lot of myths:
From the AfroMarxist YouTube channel:
Andrew Jones travels to North Korea with a group of African Americans called “People to People” in an effort to learn more about the country. Once there, his mission for the tape becomes dispelling negative American myths about North Korea.
u/Atryan420 - originally from r/GenZhou
Damn thanks, there’s way more channels than i expected, i’m bookmarking all of theseu/AyyItsDylan94 - originally from r/GenZhou
Daniel Dumbrill also has a playlist with his trip to Tibet, very interesting. The cultural diversity in China is beautiful.
u/sanriver12 - originally from r/GenZhou
That asian boss channel has pushed NK defector propaganda pretty hard, not a resource to be suggested to liberals.u/0w0taku_69 - originally from r/GenZhou
asian boss is fucking garbageit feels like theyre only helping reinforce the westerners’ perception of us but again that might be just me who thinks that
u/neimengu - originally from r/GenZhou
i’m pretty sure Asian Boss is South Korean owned, so that explains that.u/0w0taku_69 - originally from r/GenZhou
makes sense if that’s true
u/-9999px - originally from r/GenZhou
Fair point.
u/Lorenzo_BR - originally from r/GenZhou
Something like "I rented an apartment on one of the Chinese “Ghost Cities”? Yeah, that’d be a pretty good idea. You could take the time then to explain how they were planned for their urban expansion and so on, and how western media did what it does and lied about it.u/Atryan420 - originally from r/GenZhou
Oh yeah that would be a great title
u/Brady123456789101112 - originally from r/GenZhou
I know it’s not what you looking for at all, but if you like ST and Hakim, you shouldwatchlisten to their podcast, The Deprogram.u/cfgaussian - originally from r/GenZhou
How do you “watch” a podcast that is audio only? Hahaha. No but seriously The Deprogram is fucking awesome, i can’t recommend it enough.
u/VAVAAV - originally from r/GenZhou
Daniel Dumbrill is who you’re looking for. He’s a Canadian who has live in China for I think ten years. He’s personally been to Xinjiang multiple times and has dozens of videos disproving the false genocide narrative. He also just talks about China in general.Daniel has multiple several-hours long reaction videos to like BBC news specials about China where he and Carl Zha (who has a YT a channel and podcast about China called Silk and Steel), and Brian Berletic from the YT a channel New Atlas, sit down and debunk all of it. I’m not sure where Carl lives but Brian has lived in Thailand for I think twenty years.
If you ever see any videos featuring Xiangyu, watch them. He’s a Chinese rapper from Taiwan, he’s a communist, and he’s very informed and cool. Not to mention hilarious. Idk if he has a YT channel but he’s on Carl Zha’s channel often and also shows up all over the place on the communist side of the internet.
If you check out one person on this list, have it be Daniel Dumbrill. He’s interviews Uyghurs, he’s interviewed people who have worked for the CIA, he’s interviewed ex-Islamic extremist terrorists. He’s one of the most valuable resources for people wanting to understand China. Brian Berletic doesn’t live in China but does so many deep dives into stories about China that his points are often irrefutable. Good luck!
u/theDashRendar - originally from r/GenZhou
https://youtu.be/3MAFYsktFH4This video series is probably my favourite for this because it’s so mundane and casual.
The point here, that you should be focussing on, is not whether or not DPRK is ‘perfect’ Marxism or actually socialism or whatever (though they are a fair bit closer than almost anywhere else) – that debate is beside the point, especially in the discussion with Westerners who barely consider North Koreans to be human and capable of human levels of thought. The point of exercises such as this is to illustrate clearly and unambiguously to Westerners that DPRK is a very normal place in this world, filled with humans going about their lives in an especially (and sometimes surprisingly) mundane and normal way. Once you can clearly understand other human existences on this planet are being fundamentally the same human relation, and not seperate in existential capacity from your own, all ideologies except socialism turn to dust.
Ghost cities are a seperate matter but really provide a wonderful example of the power and efficiency of central planning (if there was still any doubt), as well as the utter nonsense of liberal media. Go back and dig up some news articles about the ‘empty’ ghost cities of China from like 2006 through 2010 – and they will talk endlessly about the impending failure of socialist models and centrally planned initiatives, etc. Be sure to write down specifically any ‘doomed empty’ cities they mention and then go look them up now because they are presently now pretty much all of the world’s most thriving metropolises. Again, this argument is less about “is China socialist” and more about a definitive real world example of ’ does central planning work?’ to which the existing answer in the world is yes.
Edit: misread the question - thought you wanted another DPRK video
u/neimengu - originally from r/GenZhou
if you can understand Chinese, this series is probably the best DPRK series I’ve ever seen:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5dnaLggmVHO-77jPKUSS9gCy_3G3HbNH
It’s like what you said, very casual and mundane. The guy has a hilarious relationship with his tour guide, and they visit a whole bunch of places that you don’t normally see even in pro-DPRK tour videos, like a church and some village classroom.
u/telefune - originally from r/GenZhou
Alex from xinjiang, highly recommend.u/Bad_Bitch_Vampire - originally from r/GenZhou
Living in China and Numuves both do hilarious clickbait title videos that expose Western lies about China.These other YouTube channels by Katherine and Miriam also make tons of awesome videos showing rural Chinese life.
Lastly… Unpopular opinion, but I’d avoid people like Blondie in China and Cyrus because they can be sus sometimes.
u/neimengu - originally from r/GenZhou
Numuves’ content is a bit rough around the edges but I think it will probably improve with time. He was going through a rough patch a bit earlier and I even donated $25 to keep his channel going and it seems to be doing a bit better now.
u/cbaltmackie - originally from r/GenZhou
Numuves. He has a lot of videos of just walking around the streets of china. Has a lot of videos of daily life in Xinjiangu/cryingwater420 - originally from r/GenZhou
I don’t know how accessible these videos would be to anglo audiences since they’re mostly in Japanese or Chinese but they have English subs! This channel is started by a Japanese director and former newscaster who lives in China and makes documentaries. In mainland China, he’s most well known for his documentary on Wuhan post-COVID outbreak. He has another good one showcasing poverty alleviation in China and one where he interviews 100 Huawei employees. I think the three I mentioned are all great to show to westerners because the filmmaker himself approaches most of his interviewing and filmmaking assuming the perspective of an ignorant Japanese person who has only heard negative coverage on China. This channel also has a series where they interview ex-pats about why they live in China, though most of it is in Mandarin with subs, it documents that many non-Chinese see China as a place of progress and a place where they can achieve their goals.playlist to all the English subbed videos on this channel: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxBReoeYDcrtzz0EmEgQG9h-pwQWFoEmt
channel link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwHUYtwH5E41O6MiYoC19ng
u/1_aftermagnacarta - originally from r/GenZhou
May not be what you’re looking for exactly, but the channel Mexicanos en China releases very fun and positive videos about what it’s like to live in China. They’re not overtly political. It’s in Spanish though. Some videos have english subtitles.here’s a video they made about religion in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd3NQU81G1M