u/Revnow2 - originally from r/GenZhou
When the USSR existed, western leftists complained that their stances on long hair, rock music, etc was evidence of their totailtarian, authoritarian nature, now that China has loosened up those restrictions and allowed for more individual expression, western leftists are calling China “state capitalism” What gives?
u/ponguso - originally from r/GenZhou
It can definitely be annoying but I think it’s best to find comfort in knowing what they think literally doesn’t matter. Doesn’t affect China in the slightest. All you have to do if someone is not willing to admit they are wrong about China is just disengage and wait. Just literally wait. Its only a matter of time till China proves them wrong just by continuing to exist.u/Akasto_ - originally from r/GenZhou
I would note that being proved wrong will not change the mind of said western leftist, as if they accept the proven truth, they will forget that they ever insisted on anything else.Then again, this doesn’t change what you said.
u/ponguso - originally from r/GenZhou
On average yes, I tend to only engage with ppl if they are acting in good faith, which some western leftists I’ve found are. They’re just ignorant but they are willing to learn more and consider new ideas. Rarer than the average western leftist but they exist. I just wanted to say that if anyone no matter what ideology, is acting in bad faith, you just disengage and be confident in your beliefs and let China do the talking for you. It’ll take longer but patience sure is a virtue
u/LHtherower - originally from r/GenZhou
The issue with this though is that the USSR is still broadly viewed negatively by the Western left. Propaganda works wonders for the capitalist establishment.u/3multi - originally from r/GenZhou
The CIA knows that Americans are misinformed about the USSRhttps://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
If a so called leftist tries to rebuttal against this they’re not worth wasting anymore time on just move on
u/LHtherower - originally from r/GenZhou
God that document always blows my mind even now. The fact that even the CIA figured out that for the most part the Soviet people were united against the common threat is INSANE.u/3multi - originally from r/GenZhou
I don’t think it’s insane.An intelligence agency has to know the truth in order to successfully carry out its propaganda missions.
If you think that’s insane you should watch this video. The entire Hollywood film history of the United States is all propoganda. The CIA has its hand in all media past and present. Books, film, print, TV news, journalism.
u/3multi - originally from r/GenZhou
Also, the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (NDAA 2013) removed the restrictions on domestic propogandizing
u/ponguso - originally from r/GenZhou
That also doesn’t matter and also doesn’t affect China in any way. The success of china and socialism in general will simply force Americans to accept a realistic view of the USSR, because as socialism increases in success, the contradictions of capitalism in the west will become too clear to deny. So idk it doesn’t matter if they view the USSR negatively, only matters that the people building socialism today view it realistically, which they do. If anything, they can’t eventually concede that china is socialist and good for the world without conceding that the USSR during Stalin wasn’t also socialism and also good. One was directly inspired by the other.u/LHtherower - originally from r/GenZhou
True. Good response!
u/emisneko - originally from r/GenZhouIn the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
Michael Parenti, “Left Anticommunism: The Unkindest Cut”
u/CdeRoboseGhouls - originally from r/GenZhou
Why would their opinions matter at all? Yankee “leftists” are inconsequential even in their own country, let alone to the rest of the world.u/Huicho69 - originally from r/GenZhou
Sheesh
u/3multi - originally from r/GenZhou
A so-called leftist who tries to use the term state capitalism as if it is a bad thing is either just ignorant or willfully ignorant.u/rea11ydgaf - originally from r/GenZhou
The majority of western “leftists” support western imperialism because it’s in their material/class interest to do so. Having/expressing negative views of any states opposed to western imperialism (socialist or otherwise) is part of that. The specifics will change with whatever the latest flavor-of-the-month media outrage is.u/teardeem - originally from r/GenZhou
what does aes stand for?u/Revnow2 - originally from r/GenZhou
actually existing socialism
u/okcumpootor - originally from r/GenZhou
if china legalized weed they’d get on boardu/iloveyoumiri - originally from r/GenZhou
I’m a western leftist that dresses & conducts myself as many western leftists do. I don’t expect that I’d be accepted in Soviet or post soviet russia, or in China regardless of the economic system they’re under. I think it’s weird that they restrict that stuff so much, but so so many capitalist countries so it doesn’t impact my stance on the economics of these countries at all. Regardless, reducing poverty is so much more important lol
