Hello I just created this Account for this Question. Is it okay to support Israel in the middle east conflict? I’m from Europe and have no ties at all to any Side. Its just that I lean more to the Side of Israel then any other. Is this okay? Is it up to debate which Side is to support or is one of them clearly in the Wrong? (Like Russia is in the Wrong attacking Ukraine or Germany attacking Polland 1939).
EDIT: For clarification: Im talking about their Settlements and their military campaigns NOT about their government.
If this Post is too political please remove and I’m deeply sorry for that.
Israeli here: All we want is to live in peace. We welcome your support in this incredibly difficult time, after having suffered the most devastating attack our small nation has ever seen. Wishing everyone quiet, peaceful days as soon as possible.
“All we want is to live in peace”.
I’m sure you do, but the actions of your government tell a very different story.
The actions of Israel’s government don’t give anyone the right to murder civilians and on top of that parading their broken and mutilated bodies through the streets while a crowd is loudly screaming and spitting at them.
And that’s how Palestinians feel about the decades of reprisals Israel has inflicted upon them because of Hamas.
It doesn’t give them the right to bomb hospitals and apartment buildings. It doesn’t give them the right to gun down journalists and children. It doesn’t give them the right to evict Palestinians from their homes to send in colonists for replacement. It doesn’t give them the right to turn what should be a separate country like Gaza into a literal open air prison where they can cut their power and water and they need to have Israel approve an exit pass to leave their homes and go anywhere else in the world.
Neither average citizen wants this bullshit to happen. But it’s not up to them, it’s up to a terrorist organization and a government that literally funded Hamas in the 80s and 90s so that the moderate coalition didn’t win. The one going into mosques to rough up and arrest random practitioners. I feel for every citizen in both territories, just know that war mongers in your government have contributed massively to these tragedies.
The extremists in your government had a large hand in creating the group that’s now slaughtering innocents and giving them an excuse to glass the people they look down on.
What makes you think that I am from Israel? I am from Europe.
My support for the people committing those murders AND those that cheer over broken and mutilated corpses is ZERO. I am pretty sure that I am not the only one outside the Middle East that feels this way, because of the terrorist attack.
And on a sidenote: You can shove that „Israel had it coming“ where the sun don’t shine.
I mistook you for the original commenter, I apologize.
With that out of the way. You’re right that people who murder innocents don’t deserve support, which is why I condemn Hamas and the Israeli government. Good attempt at conflating my criticism with Israel as a whole but that’s manipulative framing. The Israeli government has taken plenty of actions that directly prop up Hamas and even share responsibility for its initial rise.
As an American, the Israeli government caused this in a similar way that the American government caused 9/11. Much like Israel and Hamas, American government invested in Al Qaeda in the 80s to accomplish a selfish geopolitical goal and it ended up with a massive terrorist attack on their home soil.
It’s awful and reprehensible that innocent people are being killed, no caveat. I’m just not so easily blinded by shock and emotion that I can’t identify the underlying causes that drive this inhumane clusterfuck forward.
I’m willing to keep talking if you’re willing to not assume the worst of my position instead of seeking clarification. What Hamas did was disgusting.
Unles their action were murdering civilians , perhaps.
This is not a fucking tit for tat situation you vile human being
It would seem that is exactly what it is.
Every human being on the planet claims this. Actions speak louder though, and point in the opposite direction. Israel cannot systematically oppress an entire population and expect them to lay down and be slowly eradicated from the face of this planet.
I’m not commenting on whether or not you as an individual want peace, but massive portions of the state of Israel demonstrably wants to control the entire state of Palestine, and have proven that they will engage in violence to ensure that goal is achieved.
I commend you for wanting peace, but Israel cannot achieve peace when they are currently in the process of implementing collective punishment on all Palestinians in Gaza for the actions of Hamas, IJ, Iran, and Hezbollah. I’m sure there is a significant amount of Israelis that are against this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority approve.
I sincerely hope for that to be true, and hope that peace is achieved within our lifetime. However, it cannot be achieved with increasingly violent retributions from each side. Hamas made it very clear that their abhorrent behavior is a direct response to Israel and its settler’s abhorrent behavior. Israel can stop settlements and raiding Al-Aqsa at any time. Unless it does just that, it is obvious that it is not interested in peace.
If you want peace, get out of Palestine