“Fifty terrorists arrived in vans, dressed in military uniforms,” she said.
It is not far from the Gaza Strip, from where Hamas fighters crossed over at dawn to launch their attack. They infiltrated towns and villages, taking dozens of people hostage.
How is that possible to get that many armed people and vehicles across THAT border? I have never been there, I only know pictures of parts of the border from media, with barb wire fences, walls, concrete blocks, surveillance cameras, military checkpoints. Pretty much a border made to prevent anything like this.
Does anyone have further information where or how they managed to get that many people with that much equipment into Israel?
I can’t tell you exactly what happened to let this particular breach happen, but from what I’ve seen myself and what I’ve heard from family:
There are many security checkpoints like the one where my cousin got stabbed (in his vest, he’s ok!!!) Palestinians are guided through essentially storage containers and checked by members of the IAF on their way to work or whatever reason they have to visit what we’ll agree to call Israel merely for these explanations. While heavily guarded, these points would be incredibly easy to breach if you’re willing to sacrifice enough lives through drastic enough of measures.
While many are heartless regarding the situation the Palestinians have been put in, the Israelis aren’t totally emotionless. Some parts of Palestine are quite cultural and beautiful, so the walls are more like fences so that the Israelis and tourists can appreciate the aesthetics created by the oppressed population.
Remember the rule of 80/20: the top 20% of the areas get 80% of the resources due to wealth inequality. While many areas have perfectly adequate infrastructure, many places have over-the-top security and infrastructure, leaving some places to be underfunded and dilapidated. It’s not totally unbelievable that people could get over, under, or through the walls.
People get into Israel “illegally” all the time. These holes in the security are quickly found and patched up because the person who crossed the border is quickly collected and questioned. I’d reckon that if more patient members of the population took the time to construct more effective modes of crossing the border, they wouldn’t be discovered due to ignorance, allowing a large crossing briefly. When you’re relying on opposition telling on themselves, you don’t know what they don’t tell you.
Sudden strength in numbers with little broadcasting would be enough to overwhelm some crossing areas.
Ultimately, something like this was bound to happen eventually, primarily due to the leadership of king Netanyahu and the poisoned minds of the Israeli population. I’m not saying that all people in Israel are inhuman, but the constant barrage of belittling talking points about the Palestinians have caused even some of my more sympathetic family members to begin believing some of the propaganda that allows atrocities against other humans to go relatively unopposed. The way that they’ve learned to justify these things to themselves is shocking to me, especially when they follow up toxic sentiments with, “most Palestinians are incredible people and all of Palestine deserve peace.”
Also, if you’ll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment: with all of the egg that’s been all over Netanyahu’s face recently, a war is a really great way to garner support and deflect attention from his scandals. I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually learn that there was plenty of intelligence about this attack and they were dismissed as lacking credibility and whatnot. I’m not saying that I 100% believe that Netanyahu possibly had a hand in these attacks happening, but I do know that he’s been talking about, hoping for, and probably needing a war for quite some time to empower his corruption and further genocide a population for which he harbors incredibly disgusting feelings.
Easy, if your country is run by a corrupt, authoritarian leader like Netanyahu, you will end up with corruption, laziness and ignorance in the whole governmental system.
But basically: Coordinated attack, blowing holes in walls, and successfully attacking checkpoints.
Everyone wants to paint this as a huge failure and massive incompetence by the idf. And… it is. But it is also a largely unavoidable one. Because that concrete and barbed wire wall is basically the entire “no man’s land” between Gaza and israel. And without leveling even more of Gaza (about that…), there is no real defense against that. A breach is “easy” if you are willing to sacrifice your own lives and then it is a matter of getting forces through. It won’t be enough to “take israel” but it is enough to launch terrorist attacks and even capture hostages.
I read they used motorised paragliders to cross over the border fence. The vans may have been captured afterwards. But this is my guess and I have no idea if there were forces that managed to overpower israeli forces controlling checkpoints.
I am very curious as well. I read in the AP that the government is getting a lot of scrutiny over that at the moment but hasn’t provided any responses. All I have heard was that it was a well planned and coordinated attack so maybe the use of electronic warfare along with an initial attack on monitoring stations? Very interested in reading the report once more information is available.
How is that possible to get that many armed people and vehicles across THAT border? I have never been there, I only know pictures of parts of the border from media, with barb wire fences, walls, concrete blocks, surveillance cameras, military checkpoints. Pretty much a border made to prevent anything like this.
Does anyone have further information where or how they managed to get that many people with that much equipment into Israel?
I can’t tell you exactly what happened to let this particular breach happen, but from what I’ve seen myself and what I’ve heard from family:
Ultimately, something like this was bound to happen eventually, primarily due to the leadership of
kingNetanyahu and the poisoned minds of the Israeli population. I’m not saying that all people in Israel are inhuman, but the constant barrage of belittling talking points about the Palestinians have caused even some of my more sympathetic family members to begin believing some of the propaganda that allows atrocities against other humans to go relatively unopposed. The way that they’ve learned to justify these things to themselves is shocking to me, especially when they follow up toxic sentiments with, “most Palestinians are incredible people and all of Palestine deserve peace.”Also, if you’ll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment: with all of the egg that’s been all over Netanyahu’s face recently, a war is a really great way to garner support and deflect attention from his scandals. I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually learn that there was plenty of intelligence about this attack and they were dismissed as lacking credibility and whatnot. I’m not saying that I 100% believe that Netanyahu possibly had a hand in these attacks happening, but I do know that he’s been talking about, hoping for, and probably needing a war for quite some time to empower his corruption and further genocide a population for which he harbors incredibly disgusting feelings.
Thank you for this explanation. It helped illuminate some of the larger questions I had regarding this event!
Easy, if your country is run by a corrupt, authoritarian leader like Netanyahu, you will end up with corruption, laziness and ignorance in the whole governmental system.
Corruption and competence are incompatible.
A lot of information is speculation, misunderstandings, and outright FUD
But WSJ are generally reputable and this lines up with a lot of what I have seen discussed in various OSINT forms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjhMAMAPgeM
But basically: Coordinated attack, blowing holes in walls, and successfully attacking checkpoints.
Everyone wants to paint this as a huge failure and massive incompetence by the idf. And… it is. But it is also a largely unavoidable one. Because that concrete and barbed wire wall is basically the entire “no man’s land” between Gaza and israel. And without leveling even more of Gaza (about that…), there is no real defense against that. A breach is “easy” if you are willing to sacrifice your own lives and then it is a matter of getting forces through. It won’t be enough to “take israel” but it is enough to launch terrorist attacks and even capture hostages.
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I read they used motorised paragliders to cross over the border fence. The vans may have been captured afterwards. But this is my guess and I have no idea if there were forces that managed to overpower israeli forces controlling checkpoints.
On top of bulldozers and explosions blown in the gate.
I am very curious as well. I read in the AP that the government is getting a lot of scrutiny over that at the moment but hasn’t provided any responses. All I have heard was that it was a well planned and coordinated attack so maybe the use of electronic warfare along with an initial attack on monitoring stations? Very interested in reading the report once more information is available.
I would imagine there is a less secure border running through the desert, not unlike the US-Mexican border.