Al Jazeera journalist Youmna El Sayed was reporting live from Gaza the moment the missile struck the Palestine Tower behind her

Israeli airstrikes destroyed a tower block in Gaza City after Hamas militants launched a rocket and air attack on Israel in the early hours of Saturday morning.

The Israeli army launched Operation Iron Swords against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, with Israel’s president, Benjamin Netanyahu, saying the country, is ‘at war’.

Al Jazeera journalist Youmna El Sayed was reporting live from Gaza the moment the missile struck Palestine Tower behind her.

Sources in Gaza said at least 198 Palestinians were killed in the strikes

  • Huntersli@lemmy.worldEnglish
    222·
    1 year ago

    Any chance you can school me in the rights and wrongs of this situation, I have tried to read up on the situation between Israel and Palestine and I just can’t work out who, if anyone is at fault. It just seems like a crazy unresolvable mess.

    On the face of it I would just think the solution is to let the Palestinians have their bit of land and be done with it, why is it not that simple?

    Also it’s really hard to understand who is justified in their actions. I often find myself feeling sorry for the Palestinians but then I see them riding through London celebration the murder of innocent people and it makes it really hard for me to feel sorry for them. Similarly with Israelis, it’s horrible that they have innocent civilians murdered but killing 250 in response is just crazy…

    I’m not trolling or shit posting I honestly can’t work it out.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
      253·
      1 year ago

      So, depends on the incident in question who’s at fault changes, but the ones with the power to change the situation are Israel and they’re not doing that. Indiscriminately killing civilians is never justified, but with how Israel has been treating Palestinians you can understand where the attitude came from. People tend to hate the shit out of their oppressors, especially when those oppressors put them in open air concentration camps.

      That aside there’s Israeli settlement in the West bank and East Jerusalem, the whole Apartheid thing, y’know it’s a long list. Basically Israel created a situation where terrorism and other armed action is the only way to fight back, which predictably caused terrorism.

    • threeduck@aussie.zoneEnglish
      221·
      1 year ago

      There’s a good Louis Theroux documentary that might give some context.

      Tldw, Israelites aren’t really respecting the borders - in this doco they send over zealous Jewish people from various countries to buy up and live in properties in these disputed areas to slowly take it over. Palestinians retaliate aggressively, typically violently.

      • Huntersli@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Thanks all for teaching me a little about this situation, it is kind of how I had imagined it and there is no real immediate solution. I guess like any long standing conflict there are failings on both sides and neither willing to capitulate. As has been alluded to, it just does not seem to warrant the loss of life on both sides. I might do a little bit of reading on the local politics to see how this is played out to their respective populations.

        Louis Theroux is always a good call!

    • fishos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      1 year ago

      I appreciate your thoughtful response. Unfortunately it is an incredibly murky mess at this point. Say you side with Palestine and say it’s their land. Do you then kick out the people who were born on the land after the conflict started? Innocent people who’s only crime is the location of their birth? Or do you side with Israel and claim it’s their land now and do the same to Palestinians? Where do you put the people you relocate?

      I won’t pretend to have an answer to that. Just pointing out that either answer has numerous problems which is part of why no solution has been reached yet. Few, if any, solution will be a “win-win”. Someone will have to concede, and neither side seems willing to right now.

      That said, indiscriminate violence from either side is abhorible. I detest the death of any innocent civilian in all of this. “Two wrongs don’t make a right” and all that. Both sides have committed crimes and those responsible should all be held accountable for turning the area into a warzone.

    • ???@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      1 year ago

      to let the Palestinians have their bit of land and be done with it

      That is such a weird way to phrase it. A “bit of land” like Palestinians were some kind of barbarian spawn that just showed up there.

      It makes it really hard for me to feel sorry for them.

      As a Palestinian I want to personally say to you that no one needs you to be sorry for us so you can stop worrying.

    • danhakimi@kbin.social
      618·
      1 year ago

      It’s an incredibly complex situation, but as a baseline:

      Intentionally targeting civilians is unacceptable.

      Hamas does this with great pride. It celebrates the slaughter and kidnapping of civilians. It pays the families of terrorists in celebration of their terrorism.

      In my opinion, the IDF is remarkably careful not to kill civilians. There have been incidental killings, largely, from my knowledge, when Hamas fires rockets from civilian areas such as homes, mosques, hospitals, and schools. There have been rogue Israeli actors who killed civilians intentionally, and they have mostly been tried and convicted for their crimes. There have been moral failures on behalf of the IDF, but it does generally investigate those failures seriously, rather than celebrating them.

      I do sympathize for innocent Palestinians who are doubly oppressed by Hamas and the Israeli occupation, but feel that the occupation is necessary to prevent greater violence against Israeli civilians.

      That’s about all I can give you without digging into the history.