cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/2139382
It seems most cross tendency engagement devolves in to fights between leftcoms/anarchists vs AES supporters or “Dengists” vs Maoists. Anyone can point at each other and say “they started it” and avoid responsibilities. We agree on 90% of stuff but Anarchists decide to randomly call us tankies and we feel the need to defend ourselves or else look like we lost without an argument. Likewise we make memes about Anarkiddies and write texts denouncing them and they feel the same. Among scientific socialists we see China as an ally and an example to learn from while Maoists want to call out “revisionism.” There seems to be a contradiction between the history of different socialist experiments and disagreements not really mattering to our own conditions and those experiments also being vital learning experiences for us.
It’s strange to think about how we pretty much agree with Patsocs on more than almost any other tendency yet they are almost useless because they don’t understand the basic dialectical method and why have our positions beyond aesthetics and thus cannot understand the basic material conditions of this country.
We can keep trying to bring more people into our own sects and hope they do work for our own type of socialism irl, but if we’re so divided how can this happen. Of course we should all just log off and do things irl, but then some will fall into the trap of either larping or just helping their own friends without the wider goal of revolution.
We all need to remember that the feds let us speak because we spend all our time bickering. How can we unify as a revolutionary left? There are projects irl for trying to find unity as scientific socialists like ChunkaLuta, but it would be nice to be able to do the same online. In a way I’m just wishing everyone could just listen to revleft and everything could work out, but what can Lemmygrad and hexbear do for this vision?
“It’s strange to think about how we pretty much agree with Patsocs on more than almost any other tendency”
Kinda weird if true
Fuck I had a whole thing written up then upvoted and it deleted it all.
In short because I don’t want to rewrite everything, there’s a couple of ‘marxist take havers’ over on lemmygrad who cannot possibly be a leftist in any other space than online since once you have to organize you’ll inevitably have ‘Distorters of Marxism’ so the ‘Take havers’ have the same dynamic as the PatSocs, shopping around some takes see who bites but not really doing or accomplishing anything.
Something something woof had to yell at a grad type who tried to pull that shit over here and the person wasn’t even in an org.
Bunch of other stuff maybe I’ll rewrite, watch this space.
“shopping around some takes”
“Something something woof had to yell at a grad type who tried to pull that shit over here”
I understood everything except these, you think you could explain it in simpler/different terms?
Like this whole thing is a good primer I think.
https://hexbear.net/post/697637?scrollToComments=false
Has woofwoof91 yelling at people and it also has the ‘workshopped takes’ on display. I refer to stuff like this ‘Distorters of Marxism’ and in the thread on lemmygrad . Like to me there’s functionally no difference between doing some weird quote mining so you can justify your take with absolutely wrong quotes to throw around and PatSocs trying to tie the founding fathers to marxism or shit like that because people like Marxist George Washington or some shit like that.
I don’t know I think the main reason why I guess they think ‘left-unity is impossible’ is because they’ve never walked side by side a comrade, doesn’t matter if someone is an an-com, anarchist, marxist or whatever everyone is walking together against capitalism but I guess armchairs are much comfier.
I mean the kind that pretend to be the most principled MLs (PCUSA, MWM), not someone like Haz or Maupin.