No, we see it - it’s just dumb. Having a free as in freedom and beer set of clients is great for lemmy - but also having market driven clients available is healthy for catering to individual preferences. Boost existing isn’t your problem - clients that you like exist and please go enjoy them. I’m not certain why you’re lurking here, is it just out of masochism? The person you’re replying to at least put out helpful information about the application.
More choice is a good thing and four dollars for an app forever is extremely reasonable.
No, what’s dumb is people downvoting the factual information presented here. The initial comment in this chain is informative, and many people care about privacy and want to have that information. Why does it bother you and others to merely be presented with that information? Is it because it’s a reminder that you are willing to sell your privacy? If that’s the case I’d recommend you try to be less insecure about the fact you’re willing to sell your privacy over insignificant inconveniences. It’s the decision you’ve made, so own it. But a lot of people here care about our privacy and about feeding into the power of advertisers.
Then buy the ad free version or don’t use it. The initial comment here is FUD.
If you’re worried about feeding the advertisers, then buying software is the best course of action. All software development takes time, and time is money. Sometimes, developers will give away their time for free, but demanding that someone do that is completely unreasonable.
No one demanded anything. The initial comment here was nothing but a presentation of facts. It’s legitimate information that people care about knowing. If you don’t want to be reminded about privacy and tracking, and FOSS alternatives then might I suggest reddit? It’s a site a lot like lemmy with the exception that the userbase largely doesn’t care about those things. You might feel right at home there, but a lot of us here left it over those sorts of reasons.
These are the kind of comments that make me want to stop writing FOSS. It’s more entitled than the people who come into my Discord and demand I answer their questions that are already answered in the readme.
And what exactly is misleading? There are ads and analytics in this application.
These are the kind of comments that make me want to stop writing FOSS.
What the fuck are you talking about? People pointing out analytics and ads in other apps make you want to stop writing FOSS? Lmao, brother, if you don’t care about ads and tracking and are writing FOSS… I don’t want to use your app either. And I sure as fuck wouldn’t care if you stopped writing it.
If people feel entitled to my work, I don’t want to work for them. Why do you think so much software includes ads? Because people expect to receive software for free. I’ve been maintaining several FOSS projects for over a decade and most people are very gracious, but some people assume everything should be FOSS and every FOSS developer should provide free support.
Did you know that you have to pay to list an app in both the App Store and the Play Store? Someone pays those costs, even when the app is free as in beer and free as in speech.
And as far as FOSS and ads go, some of the biggest FOSS projects in the world make a significant amount of their funding through advertising. I hate to break it to you, but the FOSS ecosystem is mostly funded through advertising, directly and indirectly.
That’s not all people are being told. Also, I haven’t written a Lemmy client. (Although I have written an ActivityPub server. What a mess of a protocol.)
The list of ad trackers is inaccurate, and listing a crash analytics service as a tracker is misleading.
So you’re upset because some of the items in the list are wrongly earmarked by whatever app they used to find analytics and advertisers? You understand that there are ads and analytics in it though, right? The developer confirmed there are ads and analytics in it.
If people feel entitled to my work, I don’t want to work for them.
Then don’t write FOSS… when you write FOSS, everyone is actually entitled to your work, and they can fork it, and do whatever they want with it; that’s literally the spirit of FOSS. If you do write a FOSS app with ads and tracking… I’m free to fork it or even just compile it for myself without the ads and tracking in it.
Now maybe you don’t like entitled users making demands of your time, that’s fine, tell them to fuck off, that’s well within your right, they don’t own your time, and you owe them nothing. But don’t sit here and say people don’t have the right to point out and be wary of ads and tracking.
Don’t conflate those two very separate issues.
Again, no demands were made, it was merely pointed out that the software has ads and tracking. And people downvoted that simple, straight-forward, non-judgmental fact. That says more about the downvoters and their insecurity over their priorities than it does about the person that pointed out the tracking.
And as far as FOSS and ads go, some of the biggest FOSS projects in the world make a significant amount of their funding through advertising
And some of the biggest FOSS projects and tooling that holds up massive infrastructure also relies on absolutely no advertising. But the great thing about FOSS… as I previously mentioned, is the ads can be removed from those few projects that do have advertising built into them. But most FOSS projects don’t include that bullshit, most FOSS developers care about freedom and privacy, and contributing to that type of ideal software society. It sounds like you’re ashamed of being a removed… but like I said, you need to own it and stop being insecure about it and making excuses about it. We have different ideologies. I align more with the Richard Stallmans and Linus Torvalds of the world, you don’t, and that’s fine, I’m not passing judgment on you. But you can’t sit there and pretend like you’re something you’re not… the money is worth it to you over the ideal of a free and private software society.
Lol what? I feel like you’re not even talking to me at this point. Yeah, I definitely don’t align with my fellow free software devs, huh?
I think it is unreasonable to diss an app because the free version has ads. Especially when the paid version is $4.
There is no ideal society where all software is FOSS, because solely writing FOSS doesn’t put food on the table. What you’re talking about is communism, which I’m not entirely against, but I don’t think it’s very likely.
One of my libraries is used in about 4,000 projects, and even though I’ve spent literally hundreds of hours working on it, I’ve never received a dime for it. I wish I could spend all day writing code for free for everyone, but I would starve to death if I did.
The infrastructure you’re talking about (which I’m assuming is things like the Linux kernel), is developed by companies that make money through ads. I’m sorry to say my guy, but advertising is what pays the bills.
And no, just because I make something FOSS doesn’t mean you’re entitled to my continuing work. First of all, it’s still my IP. I own the copyrights, as well as any trademarks. And second, when it breaks or needs to be updated or you need help with it, that’s still work that someone has to do. These software projects take actual time to create, maintain, and support. I’m assuming you’re not a FOSS dev or this would be pretty apparent to you, as well as how FOSS is actually funded (or not).
No, we see it - it’s just dumb. Having a free as in freedom and beer set of clients is great for lemmy - but also having market driven clients available is healthy for catering to individual preferences. Boost existing isn’t your problem - clients that you like exist and please go enjoy them. I’m not certain why you’re lurking here, is it just out of masochism? The person you’re replying to at least put out helpful information about the application.
More choice is a good thing and four dollars for an app forever is extremely reasonable.
No, what’s dumb is people downvoting the factual information presented here. The initial comment in this chain is informative, and many people care about privacy and want to have that information. Why does it bother you and others to merely be presented with that information? Is it because it’s a reminder that you are willing to sell your privacy? If that’s the case I’d recommend you try to be less insecure about the fact you’re willing to sell your privacy over insignificant inconveniences. It’s the decision you’ve made, so own it. But a lot of people here care about our privacy and about feeding into the power of advertisers.
Then buy the ad free version or don’t use it. The initial comment here is FUD.
If you’re worried about feeding the advertisers, then buying software is the best course of action. All software development takes time, and time is money. Sometimes, developers will give away their time for free, but demanding that someone do that is completely unreasonable.
No one demanded anything. The initial comment here was nothing but a presentation of facts. It’s legitimate information that people care about knowing. If you don’t want to be reminded about privacy and tracking, and FOSS alternatives then might I suggest reddit? It’s a site a lot like lemmy with the exception that the userbase largely doesn’t care about those things. You might feel right at home there, but a lot of us here left it over those sorts of reasons.
It is incorrect and misleading.
See: https://lemmy.world/comment/3977158
These are the kind of comments that make me want to stop writing FOSS. It’s more entitled than the people who come into my Discord and demand I answer their questions that are already answered in the readme.
I feel like foss users are the vegan of software.
And what exactly is misleading? There are ads and analytics in this application.
What the fuck are you talking about? People pointing out analytics and ads in other apps make you want to stop writing FOSS? Lmao, brother, if you don’t care about ads and tracking and are writing FOSS… I don’t want to use your app either. And I sure as fuck wouldn’t care if you stopped writing it.
The list of ad trackers is inaccurate, and listing a crash analytics service as a tracker is misleading.
As for the comment, I meant this one in particular.
https://lemmy.world/comment/3975312
If people feel entitled to my work, I don’t want to work for them. Why do you think so much software includes ads? Because people expect to receive software for free. I’ve been maintaining several FOSS projects for over a decade and most people are very gracious, but some people assume everything should be FOSS and every FOSS developer should provide free support.
Did you know that you have to pay to list an app in both the App Store and the Play Store? Someone pays those costs, even when the app is free as in beer and free as in speech.
And as far as FOSS and ads go, some of the biggest FOSS projects in the world make a significant amount of their funding through advertising. I hate to break it to you, but the FOSS ecosystem is mostly funded through advertising, directly and indirectly.
And all people are being told is that there are version of the same thing you’re doing that are free. It’s in the best interest of the consumer.
That’s not all people are being told. Also, I haven’t written a Lemmy client. (Although I have written an ActivityPub server. What a mess of a protocol.)
So you’re upset because some of the items in the list are wrongly earmarked by whatever app they used to find analytics and advertisers? You understand that there are ads and analytics in it though, right? The developer confirmed there are ads and analytics in it.
Then don’t write FOSS… when you write FOSS, everyone is actually entitled to your work, and they can fork it, and do whatever they want with it; that’s literally the spirit of FOSS. If you do write a FOSS app with ads and tracking… I’m free to fork it or even just compile it for myself without the ads and tracking in it.
Now maybe you don’t like entitled users making demands of your time, that’s fine, tell them to fuck off, that’s well within your right, they don’t own your time, and you owe them nothing. But don’t sit here and say people don’t have the right to point out and be wary of ads and tracking.
Don’t conflate those two very separate issues.
Again, no demands were made, it was merely pointed out that the software has ads and tracking. And people downvoted that simple, straight-forward, non-judgmental fact. That says more about the downvoters and their insecurity over their priorities than it does about the person that pointed out the tracking.
And some of the biggest FOSS projects and tooling that holds up massive infrastructure also relies on absolutely no advertising. But the great thing about FOSS… as I previously mentioned, is the ads can be removed from those few projects that do have advertising built into them. But most FOSS projects don’t include that bullshit, most FOSS developers care about freedom and privacy, and contributing to that type of ideal software society. It sounds like you’re ashamed of being a removed… but like I said, you need to own it and stop being insecure about it and making excuses about it. We have different ideologies. I align more with the Richard Stallmans and Linus Torvalds of the world, you don’t, and that’s fine, I’m not passing judgment on you. But you can’t sit there and pretend like you’re something you’re not… the money is worth it to you over the ideal of a free and private software society.
Lol what? I feel like you’re not even talking to me at this point. Yeah, I definitely don’t align with my fellow free software devs, huh?
I think it is unreasonable to diss an app because the free version has ads. Especially when the paid version is $4.
There is no ideal society where all software is FOSS, because solely writing FOSS doesn’t put food on the table. What you’re talking about is communism, which I’m not entirely against, but I don’t think it’s very likely.
One of my libraries is used in about 4,000 projects, and even though I’ve spent literally hundreds of hours working on it, I’ve never received a dime for it. I wish I could spend all day writing code for free for everyone, but I would starve to death if I did.
The infrastructure you’re talking about (which I’m assuming is things like the Linux kernel), is developed by companies that make money through ads. I’m sorry to say my guy, but advertising is what pays the bills.
And no, just because I make something FOSS doesn’t mean you’re entitled to my continuing work. First of all, it’s still my IP. I own the copyrights, as well as any trademarks. And second, when it breaks or needs to be updated or you need help with it, that’s still work that someone has to do. These software projects take actual time to create, maintain, and support. I’m assuming you’re not a FOSS dev or this would be pretty apparent to you, as well as how FOSS is actually funded (or not).
Loyalists can’t be reasoned with.