Congressional supporters of Ukraine say they won’t give up after a bill to keep the federal government open excluded President Joe Biden’s request for more security assistance for the war-torn nation.
Everyone looking at the price tag vs the results knows a proxy war with a well-trained army, the side of the US and Ukraine, against formerly your biggest adversary is the least costly way to cripple your foe while hardly lifting a finger.
~$125 billion TOTAL, including humanitarian, in a sea of $800B+/yr is play money in war, and throwing Russia back with dollars is the largest blow to a man who thinks he’s militarily strong.
It even makes China hesitate. I’d pay a lot more just for that.
Edit to add: This is a sad justification to be involved in ending human life, regardless of merit.
It’s especially peanuts when you consider that the VA won’t have to take care of the veterans either. In the long-term, that’s where most of the funding actually goes after you put boots on the ground.
Edit to add:
The costs of caring for post-9/11 war vets will reach between $2.2 and $2.5 trillion by 2050 — most of which has not yet been paid.
It is Patton by proxy - “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard to die for his.” Except instead of “the other bastard” being an enemy, it’s your allies.
Don’t worry, there’s still going to be plenty of vets who “hurt their backs” during training excersize and get lifetime disability pay. I got a cousin who brags about his.
Yes your cousin is still allowed to have a comfortable life after being hurt on military duty… That’s not “bragging”. That’s being recompensed.
I bet if you actually talk to your cousin about the stuff they miss out on in life due to their disability… You’ll find that the trade still isn’t worth it. Things like being able to play with their kids without worrying about debilitating pain. But you know… At least they don’t have to actively work to live a normal life.
Even if they’re 100% disabled. I don’t know anyone who “brags” about $45k a year. I have military associated hearing loss. The time I waste every day just trying to parse things other people are saying isn’t worth the ~$200 a month I’m given for it.
Ya, so he’s not really disabled. If his back does actually hurt it’s cuz he’s fat. He’s scamming the system and votes Trump because only he deserves a second free income.
Yes, you definitely know my cousin I see multiple times a year better than me. The multiple times he’s admitted he’s gaming the system to my face mean nothing. He’s super disabled. You are right. I’m a bad person who has no idea what I am talking about.
The multiple times he’s admitted he’s gaming the system to my face mean nothing.
It could very well be his way of coping… A lot of people wit disabilities don’t want to be treated as less than… and making you believe that he’s “gaming” the system is a better outcome in their mind than you treating them as less of a human for being disabled.
“Gaming” the system in this case would require many doctors to sign off on his disability. And yes, I will believe trained doctors over you simply talking with him.
I’m a bad person who has no idea what I am talking about.
When you equate all veterans (or even just “plenty”) to what you believe your cousin to be doing? Yes…
It’s not just that. It’s about oil & gas too. Ukraine is gar friendlier to the US and the EU. They also has the ability to sever Europe’s need for Russian energy.
Russia’s military budget in 2019 was $65 billion. It’s a waste of money that’s only practical because the US is literally swimming in taxpayer money (mostly because the US doesn’t invest in itself, but that’s another issue).
At the federal level, taxes don’t pay for anything. They literally used to be burned when we still collected actual dollars. These days a number in a digital ledger gets set to 0. Taxes are the primary anti-inflationary device that government has to maintain inflation.
Deficits don’t cause inflation, if they did Japan would be in hyper-inflation because of the massive deficits they have been running for 30 years. Instead they are barely able to hold off deflation of the Yen.
Interestingly China could still invade and expand their territory, without the rest of the world getting involved. Not Taiwan. Vladivostok. That peninsula was part of China till Russia took it, and a fairly large section of the population is ethnically Chinese. They would just be “looking out for the interests of ‘their people .’”
This allows Xi to take advantage of the current situation, expand territory to look strong at home, and maintain the status quo everywhere else.
Sometimes when I’m bored, I’ll do some google maps “tourism”, and just cruise the globe. One of those spots I’ve visited, is right at that tri-border with Russia, N. Korea, and China.
I always thought it was weird that China doesn’t have a direct shore/port on the Sea of Japan. It doesn’t really look like the Tumen River would cut it to give sea faring ships access either. Annexing Vladivostok would fix that.
Everyone looking at the price tag vs the results knows a proxy war with a well-trained army, the side of the US and Ukraine, against formerly your biggest adversary is the least costly way to cripple your foe while hardly lifting a finger.
~$125 billion TOTAL, including humanitarian, in a sea of $800B+/yr is play money in war, and throwing Russia back with dollars is the largest blow to a man who thinks he’s militarily strong.
It even makes China hesitate. I’d pay a lot more just for that.
Edit to add: This is a sad justification to be involved in ending human life, regardless of merit.
It’s especially peanuts when you consider that the VA won’t have to take care of the veterans either. In the long-term, that’s where most of the funding actually goes after you put boots on the ground.
Edit to add:
Source:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic/budget/veterans
That is roughly 1/3 of the total estimated past/future costs of the wars.
Damn good point.
It is Patton by proxy - “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard to die for his.” Except instead of “the other bastard” being an enemy, it’s your allies.
Don’t worry, there’s still going to be plenty of vets who “hurt their backs” during training excersize and get lifetime disability pay. I got a cousin who brags about his.
Yes your cousin is still allowed to have a comfortable life after being hurt on military duty… That’s not “bragging”. That’s being recompensed.
I bet if you actually talk to your cousin about the stuff they miss out on in life due to their disability… You’ll find that the trade still isn’t worth it. Things like being able to play with their kids without worrying about debilitating pain. But you know… At least they don’t have to actively work to live a normal life.
Even if they’re 100% disabled. I don’t know anyone who “brags” about $45k a year. I have military associated hearing loss. The time I waste every day just trying to parse things other people are saying isn’t worth the ~$200 a month I’m given for it.
Ya, so he’s not really disabled. If his back does actually hurt it’s cuz he’s fat. He’s scamming the system and votes Trump because only he deserves a second free income.
That’s a stupid amounts of ableist…
Has it occurred to you that they might be “fat” because they can’t be as active as they once were in service… because they’re now disabled?
Yes, you definitely know my cousin I see multiple times a year better than me. The multiple times he’s admitted he’s gaming the system to my face mean nothing. He’s super disabled. You are right. I’m a bad person who has no idea what I am talking about.
It could very well be his way of coping… A lot of people wit disabilities don’t want to be treated as less than… and making you believe that he’s “gaming” the system is a better outcome in their mind than you treating them as less of a human for being disabled.
“Gaming” the system in this case would require many doctors to sign off on his disability. And yes, I will believe trained doctors over you simply talking with him.
When you equate all veterans (or even just “plenty”) to what you believe your cousin to be doing? Yes…
You’ve convinced me, trailerpark ultra welfare is good.
It’s not just that. It’s about oil & gas too. Ukraine is gar friendlier to the US and the EU. They also has the ability to sever Europe’s need for Russian energy.
Every dollar is worth it.
https://hexbear.net/post/736808
I wouldn’t call $125 billion “play money”, even if the US yearly military budget is $900 billion.
The US military budget is egregious, and this just shows how much war is about funneling taxpayer money to the MIC.
Idk, nearly a trillion dollars a year is hardly easy to overlook so I find it hard to believe that this of all things is a red line.
(Accidentally deleted my previous post, sorry for the confusion!)
Russia’s military budget in 2019 was $65 billion. It’s a waste of money that’s only practical because the US is literally swimming in taxpayer money (mostly because the US doesn’t invest in itself, but that’s another issue).
At the federal level, taxes don’t pay for anything. They literally used to be burned when we still collected actual dollars. These days a number in a digital ledger gets set to 0. Taxes are the primary anti-inflationary device that government has to maintain inflation.
Deficits don’t cause inflation, if they did Japan would be in hyper-inflation because of the massive deficits they have been running for 30 years. Instead they are barely able to hold off deflation of the Yen.
Interestingly China could still invade and expand their territory, without the rest of the world getting involved. Not Taiwan. Vladivostok. That peninsula was part of China till Russia took it, and a fairly large section of the population is ethnically Chinese. They would just be “looking out for the interests of ‘their people .’”
This allows Xi to take advantage of the current situation, expand territory to look strong at home, and maintain the status quo everywhere else.
Sometimes when I’m bored, I’ll do some google maps “tourism”, and just cruise the globe. One of those spots I’ve visited, is right at that tri-border with Russia, N. Korea, and China.
I always thought it was weird that China doesn’t have a direct shore/port on the Sea of Japan. It doesn’t really look like the Tumen River would cut it to give sea faring ships access either. Annexing Vladivostok would fix that.
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Sorry I don’t understand, can you explain?
@kaonashi @shanie
Republicain: I want to bear weapon so I can defend myself against autoritarian power
Ukrainian: Use weapon to defend themselves against autoritarian power
Republicains: No, not like that :O
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That’s the Men in Black fund. Defending the Earth ain’t cheap. 👾