I don’t understand your position. So, in the event of an imminent second Russian revolution, your supposition is that Ukrainians would be a significant counterrevolutionary force and that the US wouldn’t intervene militarily, and so if there are fewer Ukrainians, there’s more likely to be a successful second communist revolution in Russia in the near future?
What? They said that the Ukrainians need to be dead so that the next revolution would succeed in Russia. At least that’s how I read it. How did you interpret it?
My meaning was perfectly clear you disingenuous liberal fuck, I said Ukrainian nazis need to be defeated for Eastern Europe (including Ukraine) to have any chance of socialist development
Unless you want to assert Nazis should win this war and cleanse Donbass and Crimea of Russian speakers?
And this will happen how? Russia annexes Ukraine, executes a bunch of Nazis, then leaves, and Ukraine has a socialist revolution? Be realistic. Russia doesn’t want to do that. They just want to expand into Donetsk and Luhansk. There is no grander project of “de-nazification” of the rest of Ukraine.
You really are just a clueless fuckin liberal aren’t you? Nazis winning in any circumstance is a defeat for socialism, the Russian military preventing the ethnic cleansing of Crimea and the Donbass is a benefit in itself, not just for some hypothetical “socialist revolution” that you’re harping on about
The best case scenario for Ukraine is Russia annexing and protecting the separatist regions, collapsing the Nazi state thru western military exhaustion and shielding as much of Ukraine as possible from western shock doctrine thereby denying further NATO expansion in the region, that isn’t just a benefit for Russian capitalists, it’s a benefit for any hypothetical future socialist development whether in Ukraine or Russia
You probably didn’t even know this war has resulted in a resurgence of the Russian communist party, did you? No course not, that would require knowing basic facts about the conflict and that’s a no-no for people like you
And don’t ever parrot the word “realistic” to me again, you’re a dipshit who seems completely unconcerned with the safety and rights of Ukrainian Russian speakers, here’s actual realistic for you, the Ukrainian state is going to collapse and Crimea and Donbass will receive their autonomous status within the Russian Federation and all those armed, liquid-rich, ptsd riddled Nazis are going turn toward Europe and do what Nazis do best, murder innocents
I just don’t think all this blood is worth it like you think it is. I think the broader geopolitical implications of this war ending one way or another are not more or less likely to result in communist revolution anywhere. In that sense I do not support either side, but take a stance similar to the Zapatistas which I shared last night, which is that first and foremost the war should end and as many lives as possible should be saved.
Do you feel as though, after a war this nasty, that the treatment of ethnic Ukrainians in an annexed eastern Ukraine will be better than what ethnic Russians were dealing with under the post-coup government? How can you be so certain you’re not exchanging one ethnic cleansing with another? Especially when one of Russia’s war goals is to “cleanse” Ukraine of Nazis, anyway. Do you trust a capitalist government to make that call? Would you trust the US government if it said it was going to kill all the American Nazis?
Do you feel as though, after a war this nasty, that the treatment of ethnic Ukrainians in an annexed eastern Ukraine will be better than what ethnic Russians were dealing with under the post-coup government?
I don’t even know how to parse this.
What? They said that the Ukrainians need to be dead so that the next revolution would succeed in Russia. At least that’s how I read it. How did you interpret it?
My meaning was perfectly clear you disingenuous liberal fuck, I said Ukrainian nazis need to be defeated for Eastern Europe (including Ukraine) to have any chance of socialist development
Unless you want to assert Nazis should win this war and cleanse Donbass and Crimea of Russian speakers?
Come on be honest you little ghoul
And this will happen how? Russia annexes Ukraine, executes a bunch of Nazis, then leaves, and Ukraine has a socialist revolution? Be realistic. Russia doesn’t want to do that. They just want to expand into Donetsk and Luhansk. There is no grander project of “de-nazification” of the rest of Ukraine.
You really are just a clueless fuckin liberal aren’t you? Nazis winning in any circumstance is a defeat for socialism, the Russian military preventing the ethnic cleansing of Crimea and the Donbass is a benefit in itself, not just for some hypothetical “socialist revolution” that you’re harping on about
The best case scenario for Ukraine is Russia annexing and protecting the separatist regions, collapsing the Nazi state thru western military exhaustion and shielding as much of Ukraine as possible from western shock doctrine thereby denying further NATO expansion in the region, that isn’t just a benefit for Russian capitalists, it’s a benefit for any hypothetical future socialist development whether in Ukraine or Russia
You probably didn’t even know this war has resulted in a resurgence of the Russian communist party, did you? No course not, that would require knowing basic facts about the conflict and that’s a no-no for people like you
And don’t ever parrot the word “realistic” to me again, you’re a dipshit who seems completely unconcerned with the safety and rights of Ukrainian Russian speakers, here’s actual realistic for you, the Ukrainian state is going to collapse and Crimea and Donbass will receive their autonomous status within the Russian Federation and all those armed, liquid-rich, ptsd riddled Nazis are going turn toward Europe and do what Nazis do best, murder innocents
Again and for the last time. GET. A. GRIP
I just don’t think all this blood is worth it like you think it is. I think the broader geopolitical implications of this war ending one way or another are not more or less likely to result in communist revolution anywhere. In that sense I do not support either side, but take a stance similar to the Zapatistas which I shared last night, which is that first and foremost the war should end and as many lives as possible should be saved.
Do you feel as though, after a war this nasty, that the treatment of ethnic Ukrainians in an annexed eastern Ukraine will be better than what ethnic Russians were dealing with under the post-coup government? How can you be so certain you’re not exchanging one ethnic cleansing with another? Especially when one of Russia’s war goals is to “cleanse” Ukraine of Nazis, anyway. Do you trust a capitalist government to make that call? Would you trust the US government if it said it was going to kill all the American Nazis?
I do not share your certainty.
Genuinely go fuck yourself.
Genuinely explain to me how you or anyone can be certain about the future treatment of a conquered people by a regime not known for its delicacy?
I honestly have no idea how you read it that way.
While America holds sway over all the Earth no revolution can succeed anywhere. The empire needs to fall