Sorry, I thought “surface level understanding of what the SS was” conveyed something else than you clearly understood it as.
I know the SS ran death camps, I’ve been at one. I know that members of the SS executed people for little to no reason. that’s what I consider surface level information about the SS.
What I meant is I didn’t know how people were recruted to the SS. I assumed that as the war progressed it changed from purely voluntary to, at least for some new recruits, to done under threat of death, which, according to @Tankiedesantski@lemmygrad.ml did happen.
I am talking only about those who fall in this group and furthermore either deserted or did not participate in any crimes against humanity for a different reason. And I don’t think they should be considered members of the organization. Some of them could still support the Nazi government but should be tried as citizens. Those for whom there is no information to suggest have supported or voluntary collaborated with the Nazi government are then innocent.
Even those who didn’t committed atrocities are guilty. Even liberal German courts are that opinion. With the SS you have to proof your innocence when you were member of it or even a volunteer (which is more damning).
At least 60k Ukrainians were volunteers for the Nazis SS or army or alike. They were important contributors to the genocides that were happening there.
Even after 1943 you had the extremely problematic UPA (Banderitas) which did commit massacres which were complementary to the ones of the Nazis and the SS (which orders they did follow). Then again the individual innocence not guilt of members has to be proofed here. One reason for that is that there was pretty much no war crime free unit, no forced press ganging and the victims can hardly identify people.
Before you defend Nazis do at least research about the individual people and their units and listen to experts.
Lmao they said in like 4 different comments that they only have a surface level understanding of what the SS was.
Could they have spent that time looking into who the SS was and what they did?
Of course, instead they keep double and tripling down, choosing to die on a hill defending the fucking Nazis.
Sorry, I thought “surface level understanding of what the SS was” conveyed something else than you clearly understood it as.
I know the SS ran death camps, I’ve been at one. I know that members of the SS executed people for little to no reason. that’s what I consider surface level information about the SS.
What I meant is I didn’t know how people were recruted to the SS. I assumed that as the war progressed it changed from purely voluntary to, at least for some new recruits, to done under threat of death, which, according to @Tankiedesantski@lemmygrad.ml did happen.
I am talking only about those who fall in this group and furthermore either deserted or did not participate in any crimes against humanity for a different reason. And I don’t think they should be considered members of the organization. Some of them could still support the Nazi government but should be tried as citizens. Those for whom there is no information to suggest have supported or voluntary collaborated with the Nazi government are then innocent.
Even those who didn’t committed atrocities are guilty. Even liberal German courts are that opinion. With the SS you have to proof your innocence when you were member of it or even a volunteer (which is more damning).
At least 60k Ukrainians were volunteers for the Nazis SS or army or alike. They were important contributors to the genocides that were happening there.
Even after 1943 you had the extremely problematic UPA (Banderitas) which did commit massacres which were complementary to the ones of the Nazis and the SS (which orders they did follow). Then again the individual innocence not guilt of members has to be proofed here. One reason for that is that there was pretty much no war crime free unit, no forced press ganging and the victims can hardly identify people.
Before you defend Nazis do at least research about the individual people and their units and listen to experts.