Elon lied about the monkeys — and he shouldn’t be trusted to put his Neuralink chips in human brains.
“They are claiming they are going to put a safe device on the market, and that’s why you should invest,” Ryan Merkley at the Physicians Committee, told Wired. “And we see his lie as a way to whitewash what happened in these exploratory studies.”
Really heartbreaking reading what happened to the monkeys.
People quite rightly think of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud for making false medical claims about what the Theranos machines could do. So why aren’t Elon’s claims at Neuralink being held to the same level of scrutiny?
https://futurism.com/neoscope/terrible-things-monkeys-neuralink-implants
Let’s not pretend Musk has fucking clue what’s going on or the science behind it.
He isn’t down in trenches making discoveries. That’s just the image he presents.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
He’s been doing it since PayPal.
He’s not a genius, he just has enough money to get actual geniuses to work for him.
Someone put it well, if insensitively, about Sam Bankman Fried (FTX etc):
Not actually smart but just LARP-ing the “Aspy genius” persona.
However accurate that take is or offensive, I think it captures something about how nerd culture has gone mainstream and how it’s perceived.
‘nerd’ has disappeared as an insult now that we’re all on the computer all the time
As The Boys lovingly put it so many years ago, “nerds is cool now and jocks is pumping our gas.”
I think that’s pretty romanticised.
Assuming they leave their home town many end up in sales or similar making really good money.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
Sometimes he actively interferes with those competent people too.
@Lmaydev @ajsadauskas
Peter Thiel sacked him as a PayPal boss?
He didn’t “invent” Paypal.It was formed by merging his company X with Confinity. All he did was profit off it but many people seem to think he created it.
LMFAO, I had no idea this wasn’t even the first time he called his dumb company X. He really is obsessed with that letter.
He was just looking for a reason to use the domain name I’m pretty sure.
Remember that time Elon said he totally was not going to ban a single specific person when he bought Twitter and then turned around and did exactly that just a few days later?
@HughJanus @ajsadauskas and I adore your name, Hugh
@ajsadauskas @technology
I was astounded to read Neuralink is to be permitted to experiment on humans. Instead they should have any animal experiment licences revoked.Why? We already have brain interface links that do similar damage to neuralink, this isnt unusual or unexpected. In its current form it is rightfully used on terminal patients with locked-in syndom. In other words, people before it damaged their brain in a meaningful way and whom cant be further paralyzed.
It would give these people a chance at someinteraction with the real world… What happened with the monkeys was about in line with other neural interfaces, its a consequence of the limits of the tech not negligence.
I hear the full self driving mode of the brain chips come out next year.
I’m not well-versed on the subject, but can locked-in patients consent to these risks? How do we know they want to risk getting these life-threatening side effects?
@freemo @ajsadauskas @technology
If there are already such implants why licence a company that seems less than, um, straight.Point is what happened the monkeys is perfectly normal and expected… so nothing “not straight” about that (other than the sadness of animal testing)…
That said I dont like them as a companya nd wouldnt buy an implant off of them if I needed one, sure… but you’d need a pretty solid objective reason to actually block them.
Elon fanboys should be lining up to try this, right?
Yeah, the dumbest and worst people will be dying to get this. I don’t see a problem
Holy shit, please have them sign up in record numbers! This could turn out to be a service to humanity.
is it possible and or legal to sign up maliciously?
Some, perhaps many will, and without a second thought.
I think Elmo should just volunteer himself.
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Just curious, did this comment originate from mastodon? (Reading this on Lemmy).
The fediverse is beautiful ❤️
It’s beautiful and confusing even though I am a programmer lol
I feel like this is all a given. How they’re legally able to proceed with human testing is just baffling to me.
Being rich nothing else matters in America.
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Bond villains are cool. Elon is not.
$$$$$$$$$
Doesnt that guy lie about everything?
Everyone needs to start treating him with Bizarro rules.
What’s going on with all these @ tags
Mastodon users .
First time I’ve seen a post from that side of the verse. This seems pointless and harder to read than standard Lemmy 😅 I’m assuming the mastadon UI makes it make more sense.
That’s probably one of the biggest cancers of mastodon at the moment; because of the near-useless search functionality, you have to spam hashtags everywhere. Thankfully it’s being patched out but for the time being it’s just something you have to put up with.
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Cancer is a great way to describe it.
Mastodon thread I am guessing…hadn’t seen that on lemmy before.
Same. I was pretty confused. Definitely more a fan of Reddit style (Lemmy) than Twitter style (Mastodon).
Oh damn lol. I was so confused.
Elon has a history of lying that’s as rich as he was before he bought Twitter.
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He’s a lying piece of shit. Full stop.
Chip Elon and put him through what he put the monkeys through. Same conditions.
Chip him and send him to Mars.
Make him drive to the launchpad in a Model X on full “auto pilot” too
Rename him Xelon Musx
nah just fire him into the sun already ✨
@ajsadauskas @technology I was just going to ask the Theranos/Holmes question.
Once he’ll start losing investors’ money his lies will catch up to him. Nobody’s asking questions as long as line goes up.
It depends on how much money he needs. Investors lost faith in Tesla once, and Elon invested in the company himself
SBF, Holmes, that woman that faked having 30m users on her platform, etc. And Trump never fooled most people, he’s been known to be a con man since the 80s to anyone that’s been paying attention.
Theranos went down because Holmes was trying to run the same tired start-up scam all the big boys pull but within the confines of the medical industry. She would have succeeded if she had picked something non medical. The FDA doesn’t fuck around. If Elon thinks he’s smart enough to pull the same shit he’s going to “find out” too.
Supposedly the FAA doesn’t fuck around and yet he managed quite alright with SpaceX, cf https://www.techwontsave.us/episode/186_spacexs_regulatory_evasion_has_consequences_w_eric_roesch
I say let him do that and then let congress legislate this once the grim details of how the human subjects died creates a scandal and political unity across the aisle. It’s the American Way®
I’m not keen on letting people die just to test how much that level of money can minimize consequences
I don’t think many people are but enough are and they’re the ones with political influence. Not to defend Elizabeth Homes but why Elon Musk gets away with it is sexism, and being able to deliver on the odd promise then highlighting that success to cover for his failures. He’s done much worse but he’s given a pass because he presents the image of a male entrepreneur. Maybe not you or I but enough of those people with political influence are sexist and that’s why the hammer came down on Homes. They both deserve to face justice but only one did.
I’m also certain their gender is the only difference in premises, here.
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