IMO all depictions of women should be removed and replaced with hot muscly mem
But those new men should also be covered in oil so you know they are replacing women.
DONGS
Yes. Or sexy lamps. https://fanlore.org/wiki/Sexy_Lamp_Test
Unflawed female characters that make all the right decisions get called a “Mary Sue”
Unflawed male characters also suck to be fair, give me a group of fuck-ups any day over Jason Statham types.
Jason Statham types still have flaws, they’re being played by Jason Statham
Flawed female characters get called Mary Sues lmao
If someone thinks Rey is a Mary Sue and Luke Skywalker is not, they need their head examined.
Rey’s only flaw was her acting. Lol “flawed”.
And Luke is not a Gary stu. He’s a Padawan who happened to have an emotional connection to the bad guy he could leverage. If you actually watch the OT you realize that Luke is straight bad at being a Jedi.
Rey is the most perfect person ever who don’t need no Jedi master to ruin her yass girl vibe.
I could write a thesis on why only people with brain rot compare the two.
See? Needs his head examined
See? Brain rot.
From that very series: Walter White vs Skyler White. The public perception of both was quite disperate, considering one was a housewife and the other was a murderous, aspiring drug lord.
A lot of female characters all do he same thing; The protagonist men are getting up to shenanigans and their loved ones are telling them to stop it for the sake of love and / or responsibility. The thing is that as the audience we’re entirely there for the shenanigans because that’s there the action or tension takes place.
Suddenly you have a character that is telling the protagonist to refuse the call to adventure which results in delaying the excitement, it’s a recipe that’s makes the audience associate the character with boring parts of the show, especially in breaking bad where the relationship is depicted as an old marriage with no romance left, nobody is rooting for it.
I’m very aware of the trope. That doesn’t justify the level of disdain shown in comments like the one jackoneill so eloquently shared on this very thread.
I agree, I suppose the root of what I meant was that the hatred Skyler gets is half blatant misogyny and half because she’s written to be the fun police.
I remember when the TV show Arcane was coming out, there were lots of judgemental comments towards a character called Caitlin, but 3/4 of the main characters of that show are women and the others didn’t see similar hate, but it was Caitlin who often made the lawful and restrainted decisions.
Although I also agree that if the character of Caitlin was a man instead, they’d have gotten much less hate.
But Skyler was such a removed!
lol
But Skyler sang the cringe birthday song!
More to the point: Hank Schraeder versus Skylar White.
I wouldn’t say that’s a more apt comparison since Hank got much more of a redemption arc
(though he admittedly wasn’t “bad” to start, just insufferable)than Skylar did. Walt willfully went all out in his bad choices while Skylar was mostly just left to react to his bs, but he is still viewed more favorably than she is.Hank has much lower lows than Skylar ever did.
Hank became an outright abusive piece of shit at one point during the series, constantly verbally berating his wife until he pushed her over the edge and triggered her kleptomania.
The worst Skylar ever did was sleep with someone outside of the marriage that Walter had already destroyed.
You know, that’s fair.
What do you mean? I thought Skyler was quite an empowered character. In all the moments were the traditional wife character would have fallen for her husband’s lies, she catches on pretty quick.
I’m not really sure what that would have to do with my point that viewers generally don’t like her or outright hate her?
I just didn’t know she was that unliked, but I’ve since googled it.
Boy, if this isn’t the perfect character example to illustrate the phenomenon.
Can you explain your memetic image? I am not quite sure I understand what you’re trying to say.
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This is all true, 100%
I still can’t stand her
Remember the last scene of the pilot episode? No wonder Walter went nuts if that’s what his life has become
That birthday handjob while on a laptop shit stabbed me in my soul
I still can’t stand her
That’s the point of the meme,lol
But also they specifically made her character unlikable. You were supposed to find her irritating in comparison to Walter, who is an objectively worse person. I think that was almost the entire point of her, to make you side with an objectively bad person over the other slightly less objectively bad person.
I mean there’s therapy, divorce, fuck even cheating. It becoming a drug lord….? He’s zero percent admirable or justifiable. If that stabbed you in your soul I hope you can get some couples therapy or something.
The rewatch feeling is spot on. Walt was completely passive when we meet him and then he becomes.a gigantic, abusive asshole. It’s tough to watch again because he destroys so much.
It’s annoying how many people are like “she treated him like a child” and then use that to justify what he does. Which includes sexual assault, murder, gaslighting, emotional manipulation, oh and making drugs.
I don’t tend to find this sentiment, but then again I don’t go read up on social networks and chat with friends to determine the sentiment I should have about a character.
What I do tend to find is that people tend to get nitpicky due to biases they don’t readily admit they have, and this might cause the impression perceived in this meme. But those same people often don’t even want to recognize the flaws of the characters who make bad decisions when they root for them.
