We set up a bridge between the Lemmy.world General Matrix room and the Public-1 channel on the Lemmy World discord server yesterday. It’s not perfect as emoji reactions aren’t visible and some minor things like how it handles edited messages but other than that it seems to be working well.
Now people on both chat clients can interact with eachother!
Discord should be abandoned as it’s not in the fediverse and especially because it’s not open source. This platform should never be used a an official place for one’s own platform.
Bullshit. You should use the platform where most of your users are. And the users are on discord and do not give a single shit about open source.
This is the truth. Do people not have friends that mainly use mainstream services or are people just elitist about open source? This just sucks, because this kind of toxicity really drives normal users away from open source when more people should be driven to it.
For us it’s about a community where we take care of our users and provide a environment to foster interesting and respectful conversation. Software is just a means to a end.
Why not just use Reddit then? Its simple and all users are there.
Use it for what ?
Not the same thing, I would use both anyway.
Especially for a company or a public project, you want your content indexed and keep the control. If you don’t open a subreddit or sublemmy someone would do it.
For a chat, not the same thing. You want a discord to speak to your users, and a selfhosted matrix to manage your employees and private stuff
The reason people use Lemmy is because Reddit has a monopoly and does stupid things. How confident can we be that Discord won’t do this? I’m sure they will because they are a for-profit company. So why don’t we start from a platform that power belongs to the user? It is also tragicomic that a platform like Lemmy.world does this.
For your argument; I don’t agree. I think Matrix has sufficient features for this job.
It has the features (not sure about that), but it has not the users…
I agree with you but it’s just not how it works. Or else nobody would be using mac os or google products.
Also currently, almost nobody want/can/care about selfhosting.
There are definitely pros/cons. I’m not a FOSS monster. I would just expect a platform whose reason for existence is big corps to be more devoted in this regard.
He said confidently, without any real experience to back this up
I’ve been using it for 2 months for both private and group chats.
As a user or as an admin ?
Why should a random admin be more trusted than discord ? (malicious, security, data leaks etc)
Matrix has E2E encrypted chats with user controlled keys and open clients.
Discord doesn’t, at all, any of that.
Why should a random admin who can’t read your chats, be more trusted than a corporation which logs them all?.. well, for starters they can’t read, modify, datamine, profile, or leak, what they don’t have 🤷
When you’re constantly getting attacked and having issues, sometimes you need to do stuff you don’t want to do, just to be able to get stuff done.
In a perfect world I think devs wouldn’t want to use Discord, but it’s one of the only options that won’t be constantly taking down with attacks.
Plus Matrix is something that is still new to people and some users are more comfortable with Discord. Many users are still adjusting to the concept of Lemmy and how federation works. Fortunately this bridge will help the two groups connect to each other and maybe in the future we can move to only using Matrix.
Good points and appreciate the perspective!
What has Discord anything to do with any attacks, or preventing any of them?
If lemmy is being attacked, mods need a platform to coordinate.
Discord has DDOS protection through their hoster, which was the primary means of attacks on lemmy.
Did the Matrix servers get attacked?
I can’t answer that, but my rebuttal would be these are targeted attacks, I don’t doubt they would attack matrix if lemmy was using it to coordinate.
Matrix is federated, supports private channels, encryption, and cryptographic user signatures. It’s basically un-attackable (unless you open a channel to everyone).
If you think any of that matters (they’ve been attacked before… so I really don’t know why you think it’s not possible) you are hella naive.
And most of those apply to lemmy, and other federated communities, and guess what, all been attacked!
Except the private, encrypted, and verified identities parts. So essentially nothing other than being federated.
How are they supposed to make announcements if the site is down?.. That was the whole point when there were so many attacks/site outtages.
There is this thing called “a status web page”. Here, check the one for Lemmy.world: https://lemmy-world.statuspage.io/
Those were not working properly at that time of the DDOS attacks. I’m not sure if that’s been fixed now or not tho.
We did fix it. We also updated the text at the top to clarify. It’s only will post announcements if one of us is actively working on a outage. This keeps the noise down for small bilps in monitoring. We have https://dash.lemmy.world if you would like up to the second info.
Nice! Appreciate it.