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      But why is structural power or hegemony considered a prerequisite? Racism exists and has dangerous power regardless of structural factors like legality, see mass shootings. It doesn’t need to be institutionalized or dominant to be relevant and dangerous, that just makes it more dangerous.

      Just to be clear, I’m of course not trying to equivocate. White supremacy is hegemonic within ‘the West’, but that hegemony doesn’t prevent other racial supremacy movements from local dominance, or even from members performing lone-wolf racially-targeted shootings as an extreme example.

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                ok now were the perpetrators protected by the state? did the media spin up defense after defense of them? or did they use it to stoke racial fervor about the need to protect white children?

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                    It really isn’t, as the broader point she was making over prejudice and bigotry was that white supremacist attacks, violence, and oppression are far more dangerous and ubiquitous in American/Euro society than are incidents like the Fresno shootings. The difference and point that silent_water was making, as I interpret it, is that the state and culture both embrace, protect, and enable white supremacist violence through its law enforcement system, judiciary, legislature, through the media, through the broader culture, and through its ability to determine who is worthy of dignity and who is worthy of annihilation.

                    “We should be more conciliatory to left-liberals “baby socialists” about white fragility and identity” is not something I’d care to cater to either.

                    Othello’s comment was against people who identify as white as a cultural identity, not the pigmentation of their skin.

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                  That’s all irrelevant, because someone killed those people over bullshit race crap. That is racism, and it was lethal. We need to counter racism in all its forms if we want to unite the proletariat, because even person-to-person racism in private with no structural protection is harmful and sectarian.

                  ok now were the perpetrators protected by the state?

                  Just the same as the Buffalo shooting, same as the Christchurch mosque shootings. Life in prison, no parole. Again, not that it’s relevant; it’s still racism even if you’re not protected.

                  I asked how you define racism, because I can’t understand why you keep suggesting that structural support is required for racial supremacy bullshit to become racism. It’s not a prerequisite. Racism is racism, it’s just more powerful when a state or society institutionalizes it.