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    70’s for total quality of life, then we increased in digital quality of life while everything else fell then we increased in network quality of life but everything else fell. seems like the matrix any day now.

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        yeah but a brief period where a high school degree was enough to buy a house and raise a family eventually.

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          Sure, for a specific group of people, the 70’s were great.

          Unless you were gay, or trans, or brown, or a single woman, or a married woman who didn’t want a husband as a “head of the household” or… anything other than a married, white, Christian male with 2.5 kids.

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            believe it or not there were black people who were able to get work and buy homes. These things were not exclusive to white, christian, males. Im not even sure trans was on the radar at that point and yeah gay was generally closeted. The eighties though started tearing things apart although it was not really felt until the 2000’s. 70’s was the last vestigage of proper tax levels and social programs.

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              You’re “not sure trans was on the radar” because right wing media has convinced you that it’s abnormal. Trans people have been around forever.

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                  My guy, theres evidence of an intersex knight buried with great reverence in, I believe, Denmark, about 1000 years ago.

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                  Trans individuals have been a thing since humans first existed. Historical texts are littered with references, and the history of LGBTQ+ is the same group fighting for rights since forever.

                  Many cultures feel it is perfectly normal, and considered it expected that some people presented as different than their biological sex.

                  It’s completely fictional that any gender or sexual minority is new or unique in the modern era.

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                    I mean this gets complicated. Is cross dressing trans? Because cross dressers doesn’t necessarily identify as another sex. Where does an effiminate male stand or a tomboy? What does someone get labled if they identify but don’t otherwise want to take the trappings?

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                    or be intersex. this is sorta been what at least part of this conversation has been about. I mentioned in another post but my understanding about modern trans would be a persons right to determine what their gender is which does not have to be the same as their sex. Im honestly not sure about my own understanding.

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              Heres a decent timeline of trans history. If you hate wikipedia, there’s the citations at the bottom to browse through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_transgender_history

              But spoiler alert: transgender people, intersex, non-binary and other genders have been around probably as long as we’ve existed. As far as recorded history, I’m gonna drop a fuckton of info below if anyone is curious about human history outside the gender binary.


              A few archeological finds & early historical texts:

              1. (7,000 BCE-1700 BCE) Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a “third sex” human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. (The Archaeology of Mediterranean Prehistory by Emma Blake, A. Bernard Knapp)
              2. (1st century) earliest mention of transgender/gender non-conforming people: Philo of Alexandria and Marcus Manilius provided descriptions of transgender people during the early Roman Empire books.google.com
              3. probable transgender remains from between 2900-2500BC in Prague article on pinknews.com
              4. the remains of a person with Klinefelter syndrome (intersex), circa 1050-1300 in Hattula, Finland article on phys.org
              5. Kalonymus ben Kalonymus ben Meir (1286-1328) wrote a poem lamenting being born a boy, referring to their (possibly her) genitalia as a “defect” wikipedia.org

              A list of the 10 earliest recorded gender-affirming surgeries:

              1. Karl M. Baer (1885-1956) born intersex, assigned female, came out as male in 1904; surgery in 1906
              2. Dora Richter (1892-?) first surgery was 1922, second was 1931
              3. Lili Elbe (1882-1931) transitioned in 1930, and was the first known recipient of a uterus transplant in attempt to achieve pregnancy; she died due to complications
              4. Laurence Michael Dillon (1915-1962) had surgery in 1946 and was an early user of testosterone therapy, starting in 1939
              5. Roberta Elizabeth Marshall Cowell (1918-2011) underwent gender-affirming surgery in 1948 and lived to be 93
              6. Christine Jorgensen (1926-1989) began sex reassignment surgeries in 1952
              7. Charlotte Frances McLeod (1925-2007) struggled with American doctors; she wanted surgery but they wanted to change her gender identity instead which sent her into a deep depression; was quoted as saying “I was miserable and I wanted to die” before moving to Denmark to have her surgeries around 1953-1954. She lived to be 82.
              8. Rina Natan (1923-1979) earliest known individual to undergo gender-affirming surgery in Israel; it was finally granted to her in 1956, after being denied multiple times and attempting the surgery on herself
              9. April Ashley (1935-2021) English model and activist who was outed without her consent; it’s believed her surgery occurred around 1960
              10. Maryam Khatoon Molkara (1950-2012) first publicized Iranian citizen to receive gender-affirming surgeries (first surgery unknown; probably after 1980) In the 1980s she secured a religious decree from conservative Iran’s highest authority to officially allow reassignment surgery for herself and for other trans people in her country

              Many cultures around the world have recognized more than two genders:

              1. In India (Hijras or Kinnar; since 1226 at least)
              2. Pre-Islamic Arabia (Khanith and Mukhannath; as early as the Rashidun era 632 - 661)
              3. Cambodia, Laos and mostly Thailand (Kathoey; since at least 1296)
              4. Albanian society, Kosovo and Montenegro (Burrnesha; documented in 1800s but can be traced back to the 1400s)
              5. the Bugis of Sulawesi recognize five genders (Makkunrai, Oroané, Bissu, Calabai, and Calalai)
              6. Southern Mexico/Zapotec culture (Muxe)
              7. the Philippines (Bakla; prior to the Spanish colonial period)
              8. Italy (Femminiello; since at least 1740/1760, see: Il femminiello, painted by Giuseppe Bonito)
              9. Japan (in writings since at least the Edo Period)
              10. the Diné aka. Navajo (Nádleehi)
              11. the Zuni (Lhamana)
              12. many various indigenous american tribes (the Two Spirited)
              13. Igbo people of Nigeria (documented in the 15th century)
              14. pre-colonial Inca civilization in Peru (Quariwarmi)
              15. Native Hawaiian and Tahitian (Māhū; pre-colonial, but first published mention in 1789)
              16. the Itelmens of Siberia (Koekchuch; first recorded in the late 18th century)

              There’s so much more, but I’m tired now lol. Hopefully I made my point, which is we have a fuckton of lgbt+ history that no one knows about cause it’s not taught. It doesn’t help that the anti-lgbt+ propaganda likes to postulate that this is all some new-fangled fad, which it is clearly not. It’s our history.

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                Some of these fit and some don’t. At least to my understanding of modern trans. Many of the gender affirming surgeries were done in the gender assigned. Its actually the few cases were gender was assigned at birth instead of going with the general rule that the gender was the same as the sex. Third section makes sense at least to the limit of how much the cultures are understood. First section is a mixed bag. Gods and other fictional figures have been intersex and that is something at least most people should be aware of. Its hard to say with the rest but most seem intersex things again as opposed to individuals choosing their gender.

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                  Well part of your problem is your comparing a time where we barely had rights let alone a language for ourselves up against a modern trans reality. All of the gender-affirming surgeries I listed were done by adults at their own behest. Also, this is a history rundown where I mostly focused on trans individuals, not intersex individuals, BUT, historically, most exceptions to the gender binary were all thrown together into single categories back then. In hindsight, sure, a lot of these cultural third gender classifications sound confusing, inaccurate, and too broad a category for our present understanding. But they were working with what knowledge they had at the time

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                    Im not doing the comparison. Someone else brought it up. I don’t think it matters one wit what happened historically. Historically people were enslaved and unfortunately still are. Its about bodily autonomy to me.