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Ugh, are all posts on this meme sub “Capitalism bad, Marx good. Uplemmies on the left”? We get it, capitalism is exploitative. Although, I am curious on how the communists on here envision a real communist government. Please share, I’m just curious.
Lemmy is for communist Linux users and anything more nuanced than that is immediately downvoted.
“Why is lemmy losing users?!”
Gee, I wonder why. It’s almost like all content is identical and stale after the thirtieth time.
crickets
The 14-year old keyboard kommunists don’t have any answers at all.
If Marx was alive today he’d likely admit that the theories of communism are fundamentally flawed and simply do not work. He made some valid points over a hundred years ago, but circumstances have changed far to dramatically for communism to have any success at all.
Socialism is building powerful steam though, which is promising. And it actually works.
There can be no communist government. Communism is a collaboration of communities, not a single government. Just as like as Lemmy itself.
I understand that theory, but like I asked: How does that work in real life? Does there not have to be a governing body to ensure that everyone/every community adheres to the communist philosophy?
On top of that, how does that not just end up as a state owned economy identical to far right fascism in practice? You know… like when the Soviets ended up that way?
By Democratic Confederalism
Unfortunately for you, most implementations have a government
Not all of them. You can look at Rojava for example
There are governments run by communists but I don’t believe any of them actually claim to have achieved a communist society. For example, Vietnam is run by communists who describe their system as a socialist oriented market economy.
I’d rather work for the money I can negotiate than whatever some communist official says I need. I’d rather have real labor unions representing me than unions populated entirely by Party officials.
Capitalism isn’t perfect. But capitalism with good social safety nets is a better economic system than anything else we have developed. “We have nothing to lose but our chains?” Sure, if you want some tyrant replacing fair work for fair pay with work at the barrel of a gun and labor under the eye of the secret police.
You have a union job?
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…replacing fair work for fair pay…
Is it fair pay though? Ofc nobody wants a tyrant. but we should have unions fighting for the rights of workers in all spaces, shouldn’t we? Just a thought.
Even in a right to work for less state, it’s easier to negotiate with employers for fair pay than it is to do so in a communist society. Communist societies may generally be more equal, but they’re equal at a far lower level of income, and in reality it just means trapping everyone at the subsistence level of work drudgery instead of offering many a way to gain greater affluence.
You don’t need to be a communist society to have unions tho. Negotiating with a tyrant owned business like Amazon is still very hard.
Yes, that’s my point. In fact, real unions die under communism and come to represent the party rather than the workers.
Then we’re on exactly the same page.
I believe you assumed I’m arguing from a communist perspective, however I’m not.
Your description matches the current situation more than the system socialists imagine. Most of the people wishing for communism don’t wish for what you describe. Those people usually wish for a system where the working class wields the power in a way Marx wrote about.
So many peoples view on communism is shaped by the same populist propaganda we had since the 40ies.
Yes, but that wish for Marx’s vision fails when it hits reality, where in reality, institution of communism or socialism essentially requires a totalitarian form of government
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anarchism is dope of course but we basically need to evolve as a society before it could happen. you can’t really impose anarchism top-down like you can with statism. so i think a majority of people would have to want it first. and that’s the hard part, because most people seem to be incapable of imagining living without masters.
How about anarcho-syndicalism
You’re in this meme
No, communism is a problem. There is an inherent flaw in the entire concept, which is entrusting the peoples needs to a select, “temporarily” empowered few. History has proven, over and over again that hierarchy is the problem. People don’t obtain obscene amounts of power and then…use it for good and then give it up. They use the power to be powerful. And the people surrounding the powerful start catering to the whims of that powerful person in the hopes that they can benefit from that power, which encourages unjust thinking and behavior. Look at any billionaire and see how people treat them. People come out of the woodwork to tell them they’re geniuses, pretend they’re right all the time, and indulge their every whim. It warps their brains. Communism relies on this incredibly flawed concept to…benefit the people?
It’s the problem in politics, it’s the problem in policing, it’s the problem in capitalism, it’s the problem in people. Any system based and reliant on hierarchy is doomed to fail, especially when that hierarchy is “temporary” and meant to establish “the people’s” will and best suit their needs. There is no top down solution, the only solution is bottom up.
Communism does work on a communal level - it’s no coincidence they’re rooted in the same word - but it absolutely needs a level of accountability at the top that can only come from actually knowing the people they’re responsible for. Once you get beyond a couple of hundred people in a community at most, and it stops being an “everyone knows everyone” kind of thing, communism is just far too susceptible to corruption.
My gaming group takes a somewhat communist approach to starting out in survival games - Minecraft, ARK, etc - and it works well. No-one’s going to destroy any friendships over half a stack of stone and two bits of cooked food so corruption isn’t an issue. Plus it’s more efficient for us to work together at that point rather than all try to individually collect everything we need. Sure, it’s just video games, but it shows the system can work and have benefits. It just doesn’t scale up at all.
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I know you are
They think they’re daddy oligarch’s favorite!
“Capitalism sucks so let’s go do this other arguably more shitty thing that is even more susceptible to corruption”
Makes sense. Capitalism sucks and we need to get out of the capitalist structure, but your dream of fucking communism garbage and irrelevant to that. It shouldn’t happen and it won’t happen. What we need to replace our system with is something that is able to be protected against corruption. That’s not communism.
Unironically had some libertarian bootlicker tell me he was bourgeois because he owned a bicycle and a guitar 💀
Quite a few of the unhoused folks in my area must be bourgeois by that logic
Wait for them to tell you that they have IPhone
Stockholm Syndrome isn’t a real thing.
“Stockholm Syndrome” was invented by police to discredit a female hostage
If the prime minister told me “You will have to content yourself that you will have died at your post” I wouldn’t trust the authorities either. Being a bank teller shouldn’t mean you have to die for your employer or for the police.
