• aleph@lemm.ee
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      The great purges removed undesirable elements from the CPSU.

      Undesirable from Stalin’s point of view, certainly.

      You can’t name a single ill action taken towards Soviet peasants.Stalin brought them nothing but benefits

      Hoo, boy. I would advise you to research how many people died during forced collectivization and how much death was caused by the confiscation of grain by the NKVD and the Red Army before you start making statements like that.

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        how much death was caused by the confiscation of grain by the NKVD and the Red Army

        None. None was caused by this. The death was caused by the hoarding of it for profit. The confiscation was a response to that hoarding.

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          This theory is pretty roundly discredited in academia, though. The consensus view is that while there was a drought that lasted several years, the starvation that occured was exacerbated by the policies set by the Politburo, including:

          • Excessive quotas leading to the reduction in crop rotation and leaving land fallow, which in turn lead to weaker crop yields

          • The fall in livestock numbers following forced collectivization

          • Poor quality harvest resulting from an unsettled agriculture industry that resulted from political upheaval

          So yes, nature itself was partly to blame but the refusal to deviate from the unrealistic goals set by the people in charge was the reason why the grain shortages and resulting famines were so much worse that they ought to have been.

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            You’ve missed out the main cause, which was a lack of oversight over figures that were being reported by the farms. They trusted the numbers they were being given which proved to be false reporting, which led to the incorrect quotas and crop rotation mistakes, which led to all the other mistakes.

            This was a blunder that was corrected later (with extra third party checking of numbers). Solving it.

            Keep in mind this was the very first time central planning had been applied to a task like this. The notion that the numbers reported would be wrong was not something anyone expected because there was no precedent to go on. All of these “incorrect policies” that you blame them for are a product of the incorrect figures that they had. Figures that were incorrect because kulaks were grain hoarding to sell for profit then reporting incorrect figures.

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            Are you telling me a group of men with an 1800s education didn’t have the most up to date agricultural science? Sounds like the fault of the people who educated them to me.

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          Asked and answered: I cited the specific book that referenced it, among others.

          For the record, I am more than capable of recognizing the positive aspects of the USSR - I just don’t like the simple-minded good vs bad binary thinking that often plagues these discussions.

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            Asked and answered: I cited the specific book that referenced it, among others.

            You just waved a few titles around without actually citing evidence.

            Evidence is when you type out directly the material you’re talking about, followed by the source you got it from, the page(s) and paragraph(s).

            You want an example of what actual quality citations look like please take a brief moment to read through some of the citations in this post

            Edit: user I was replying to says they cited multiple sources. Just wanted to say they only cited one author - who’s more a story-teller than a historian - while handwaving about “many authors saying it’s true” without listing anyone. They completely rely on hearsay and vibes for evidence and not concrete source material for their worldview.

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            I am more than capable of recognizing the positive aspects of the USSR

            Like what? You’re only saying negatives. Let’s get your positives.