AI-generated child sex imagery has every US attorney general calling for action::“A race against time to protect the children of our country from the dangers of AI.”

  • Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works
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    Get psychological help

    How about addressing my points instead of the ad hominem attacks?

    Feeding pedophilia is directly harmful to children who grow more at risk

    Like I said: “I’d personally be very hesitant to ban/persecute stuff like that unless there was actual evidence that it was harmful

    If what you’re saying here is actually true then the type of evidence I mentioned would exist. I kind of doubt it works that way though. If you stop “feeding” being straight, gay, whatever, does it just go away and you no longer have those sexual desires? I doubt it.

    Much as we might hate it that some people do have those urges, it’s the reality. Pretending reality doesn’t exist usually doesn’t work out well.

    I’d personally be very hesitant to say “it’s okay to beat off to children”

    I never said any such thing. Also, in this case, we’re also talking about images that resemble children, not actual children.

    It should be very clear to anyone reading I’m not defending any kind of abuse. A knee-jerk emotion response here could easily increase the chances children are abused. Or we could give up our rights “for the children” in a way that doesn’t actually help them at all. Those are the things I’m not in favor of.

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      I’m not the guy you’re replying to, but I will say this is a topic that is never going to see a good consensus, because there are two questions of morality at play, which under normal circumstances are completely agreeable. However, when placed into this context, they collide.

      1. Pornography depicting underage persons is reprehensible and should not exist

      2. The production and related abuse of children should absolutely be stopped

      To allow AI child porn is to say that to some extent, we allow the material to exist, even if it depicts an approximation of a real person whether they are real or not, but at the potential gain of harming the industry producing the real thing. To make it illegal is to agree with the consensus that it shouldn’t exist, but will maintain the status quo for issue #2 and, in theory, cause more real children to be harmed.

      Of course, the argument here goes much deeper than that. If you try to dig into it mentally, you end up going into recursive branches that lead in both directions. I’m not trying to dive into that rabbit hole here, but I simply wanted to illustrate the moral dilemma of it.

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        So we should ban books like Lolita since it can be interpreted as porn, or is it only visual that should be banned? If books are okay, are an imahe of stick figures with a sign “child” okay? How much detail should the visual image have before it gets banned?

        How about 1000 year old dragons in a child’s body? How about images of porn stars with very petite bodies?

    • ram@lemmy.ca
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      How about addressing my points instead of the ad hominem attacks?

      That is addressing your point. These people need to get psychological help.

      If you stop “feeding” being straight, gay, whatever, does it just go away and you no longer have those sexual desires? I doubt it.

      The harms brought by conversion therapy to the gay and straight people outweigh the harms that are brought about by allowing them to exist. The same is not true of pedophilia. Though it is interesting if you do see these as the same, are you for the persecution of gay or straight people as you are pedophiles, or are you in favour of pedophiles being able to enact their desires?

      Much as we might hate it that some people do have those urges, it’s the reality. Pretending reality doesn’t exist usually doesn’t work out well.

      It is the reality, and pretending people will just safely keep their desires to themselves has proven to not work.

      I never said any such thing.

      I never said you said it, but it is the result of what you’re saying.

      we’re also talking about images that resemble children

      Since you’re drawing this distinction from the words you decided were thrust in your mouth, they weren’t, would you say “it’s okay to beat off to children who may not exist”?

      It should be very clear to anyone reading I’m not defending any kind of abuse

      You’re outwardly expressing pedophile apologia.

      Or we could give up our rights “for the children” in a way that doesn’t actually help them at all.

      What rights are you giving up?

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        That is addressing your point. These people need to get psychological help.

        What help do you think exists for these people? And what if CG porn is that help

        • ram@lemmy.ca
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          Psychologists.

          There’s no evidence that CSAM, real or virtual, helps reduce rates of child predation.

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            There’s no evidence that CSAM, real or virtual, helps reduce rates of child predation.

            Assuming this is true (it’s not), that doesn’t mean it should be banned. Video games don’t reduce rates of violence, or child predation. Should those be banned too?

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              (it’s not)

              I’d love if you could cite your evidence.

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              I never said I had evidence. I specifically said there was no evidence. The claim presented is that it’s beneficial, and thte burden of proof lies with the claim.

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                And what if CG porn is that help

                That’s not claiming it is benefical. It’s entertaining the idea that what if it is.

                • ram@lemmy.ca
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                  Then that can be decided by psychologists. It’s funny you keep insisting on calling it “CG porn” though when it’s abjectly and legally child pornography.