Why do so many companies and people say that your password has to be so long and complicated, just to have restrictions?

I am in the process of changing some passwords (I have peen pwnd and it’s the password I use for use-less-er sites) and suddenly they say “password may contain a maximum of 15 characters“… I mean, 15 is long but it’s nothing for a password manager.

And then there’s the problem with special characters like äàáâæãåā ñ ī o ė ß ÿ ç just to name a few, or some even won’t let you type a [space] in them. Why is that? Is it bad programming? Or just a symptom of copy-pasta?

    • Asudox@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      I agree. Bitwarden is open source and also provides a pretty good user experience. Now that passkey support is also coming, I like it even more. Currently a premium member. 10€/year isn’t alot for a good service.

      • janAkali@lemmy.oneEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        While most of the time, I remember my password, I know I could just snap and forget it right there at any point. Happened to me not once. And I’m in my 20s. Sometimes when I forget a password, I just start typing and muscle memory kicks in, sometimes it doesn’t. I guess our brains are not optimized to store long random strings of characters. You could use a long sentence as your master password or do as I do:

        Come up with a way to make up a long seemingly random password from a couple words. Then if/when you forget a password, just remember those words and reconstruct password from them.

        • Don’t use common dictionary words or anything from popular media, as it could be guessed by attackers.
        • You can write down algorithm on a piece of paper and keep it somewhere safe.
        • Words should be related but not directly:
          • two asteroid names - bad
          • asteroid name and it’s greek translation - bad
          • real city name and city name from a book - good
          • two words that both start with S and end with T - good
        • If you forget both words, you should be able to remember/look up at least one of them if you still remember how you came up with the word.
        • WtfEvenIsExistence2️@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          I used a passphrase generated from a word, kinda like an acrostic poem.

          Exmaple: LEMMY

          Lemonade Endeavor Makes Melons Yellow

          I know the word that I used to generate my passphrase, I’m just missing one word of the passphrase, but I know the starting letter.

          I could theoretically “brute force” all the words that starts with that letter, but I’m just too depressed and unmotivated to solve a captcha for each guess. Maybe I’ll find the missing word, but it could take months.

    • MagicShel@programming.dev
      3·
      1 year ago

      It feels like a lot of sites are taking active measures to block the use is password managers, too. I hate those sites. Why I’m the hell would you do that???

        • jadero@programming.dev
          4·
          1 year ago

          Prairie Centre Credit Union.

          After years of complaining, they finally did something about their hopelessly insecure authentication, only to completely bork it.

          Bitwarden could open the site, but couldn’t push the login info. They prohibited pasting, so I had type everything by hand. And they couldn’t even get that prohibition right, because I discovered that I could type a character then CTRL+V to paste, then HOME, DEL.

          All of that is written past tense, because it was the last straw. I took my banking elsewhere, despite the fact I now have to drive 2.5 hours if I need to talk to someone in person.

        • MagicShel@programming.dev
          3·
          1 year ago

          Mainly financial sites, in my experience. I also have problems logging into Mastodon, because if I manually type my user and password I get logged in but if I use Bitwarden or even copy/paste it fails.

          But also every site where you type in the user name and then submit and it takes you to enter the password - I use a lot of custom emails to avoid spam so I may not remember my username for a given site, but Bitwarden won’t recognize it as a login page (much bigger problem on mobile, which is where I do most of my stuff).

    • frezik@midwest.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      BitWarden seems a little dumber at detecting password update submissions than LastPass. Same with detecting when there’s a login field on a page. Really, webdevs should do the most simple-stupid thing and give those fields predictable names like “old_password”/“new_password”/“new_password_retype”. No reason to get creative here.

      That’s about it. I switched out of LastPass for a reason and I’m not going back.